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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127801: May 5th 2021 at 11:19:44 PM

It’s the visuals.

As said cars are too clunky and weighty. They take too much space, I mean what the Hell does a Rider need with extra seats?

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#127802: May 5th 2021 at 11:21:27 PM

Have you read Robbie's comics? It works.

Edited by Zeromaeus on May 5th 2021 at 2:21:42 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#127803: May 5th 2021 at 11:24:05 PM

[up][up] Well, if he's transporting more than one person, extra seats are quite useful.

Speaking of the other riders, who had the chain and penance stare first, Johnny or Danny?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127804: May 5th 2021 at 11:43:11 PM

[up][up] It does though it varies on the artist on how much it works.

Tradd Moore the original artist of his run was a fucking master of kinetic motion and speed lines making his driving look fantastic but the sequential artist Damion Scott made his driving look to stilted.

[up] I think the Penance Stare came from Ketch.

Edited by slimcoder on May 5th 2021 at 11:43:29 AM

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127805: May 6th 2021 at 8:23:11 AM

One I legit didn't know that Robbie could actually phase through the car, lmao. It must've imprinted hard from one of the few Ghost Rider comics I skimmed through because I haven't actually kept up with the Robbie Reyes version and I'm not that clever. [lol]

Two part of what makes the car work for Robbie is that he's not a loner even relatively to the other Ghost Riders. His biggest thing is his relationship to his brother and of all the main Ghost Riders he's the one giving rides to the Avengers.

Hellbore Since: Dec, 2010
#127806: May 6th 2021 at 10:08:52 PM

https://twitter.com/joshuahorowitz/status/1389565478494867458

Twitter includes an interview with Andrew Garfield where he categorically denies an appearance in Spider-Man: No Way Home

Edited by Hellbore on May 7th 2021 at 3:09:41 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#127807: May 6th 2021 at 10:11:56 PM

[up]...Good? Bad? Why was he asked?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#127808: May 7th 2021 at 12:24:39 PM

Right. Watching Black Panther with my bro. He's got beef with a plot point about Klaue.

He says that, considering he got information about the location of Wakanda and their vibranium horde (which would have been a well kept secret), he must have known he got that information from someone very high up.

He would have also been aware that Wakanda would be after him for what he did.

His argument is that Klaue should have been aware that Killmonger was part of the royal family (and even that he was the son of the man who provided him his information) based on that.

I'm saying it's more than possible for the information to have been passed to Klaue without much in the way of specifics (he might suspect who he's dealing with, but wouldn't have any way to confirm it was the brother of the king).

He notes that Klaue has never been fooled by anyone, so finds it hard to believe Eric pulled a fast one on him.

What do you guys think?

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#127809: May 7th 2021 at 12:32:26 PM

Klaue may have known N’Jobu was a royal but he didn’t have to know N’Jobu had a son. Even if he did he might not even recognize Erik as an adult.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127810: May 7th 2021 at 1:26:20 PM

N'jobu was also a high-ranking intelligence officer. If anyone would be sure to tell Klaue as little as possible (and get his son out of dodge) it would be him.

Edited by Gaon on May 7th 2021 at 1:26:26 AM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#127811: May 7th 2021 at 9:45:31 PM

Well, time to leech off my sister’s Disney+ account. I haven’t watched Iron Man 3 or Captain Marvel.

Ladies, gentlemen, and all non-binary people of the thread, I ask: which one should I watch tomorrow?

(P.S No spoilers. I don’t want to be rude but I want to experience it with little prejudgment, expectations, or bias before I actually see it.)

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#127812: May 7th 2021 at 9:47:45 PM

Watch Iron Man 3

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#127813: May 7th 2021 at 10:03:08 PM

Both, both is good. Neither is my favorite, but they're at least worth a watch.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127814: May 7th 2021 at 10:06:42 PM

Credit to Iron Man 3 I consider it more exciting to watch.

Captain Marvel can be a bit lethargic.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#127815: May 8th 2021 at 12:27:32 AM

Either is fine. Iron Man 3 is more flawed, but also more interesting and gives your mind more things to chew on. Captain Marvel is very well-made and has a few well-done elements (specifically, the subject of gaslighting, and the story's big twist) but is also more heavily Bland Corporate Product and doesn't really excel at anything either unless you like the shipping aspect.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 8th 2021 at 4:14:58 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#127816: May 8th 2021 at 12:39:07 AM

Iron Man 3 suffers from Executive Meddling and has a really lame villain, but it does have some wonderful action setpieces. Good popcorn flick.

Captain Marvel is more straightforward and adds some good detail to the MCU's history, but it's not the most exciting film to watch, and feels like a Phase 1 origin movie inserted into Phase 3.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#127817: May 8th 2021 at 12:40:21 AM

If you're a fan of the Iron Man comics, 3 will likely infuriate you, especially if you're familiar with the Extremis storyline, since they take so many stupid liberties with it, none the least of which being making the Big Bad someone who died in the comic's backstory instead of the actual villains. That and attempting to brush of Iron Man's highly anticipated Arch-Enemy as not existing, but everyone knows that bit. And they retconned it away later anyway. I'd say it's the only MCU (film) installment that I consider outright bad.

Captain Marvel isn't the best MCU film, but it's still a good movie overall and definitely not as bad as certain people attempt to make it out to be.

Edited by lbssb on May 8th 2021 at 12:44:41 PM

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#127818: May 8th 2021 at 1:11:02 AM

I prefer Captain Marvel but that's more a personal preference for me since I really didn't like Iron Man 3. I think CM is more consistent overall, while IM 3 might have higher highs and much lower lows.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on May 8th 2021 at 4:11:46 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127819: May 8th 2021 at 1:18:55 AM

I just now realized if they adapt Nova well enough, he will be the film version Green Lantern should have been.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#127820: May 8th 2021 at 1:22:08 AM

Iron Man 3 is watchable and entertaining, but also really really messy. Possibly the messiest in the series. Certainly not Shane Black's worst sci-fi romp.

Captain Marvel is more of a solid solo origin tale, not like, great but it's a nice watch and has plenty of neat touches with the cast and Carol's backstory. The Skrulls are a really good addition.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127821: May 8th 2021 at 1:27:26 AM

On that note if Guardians 3 has like Gamora ending up with Adam Warlock, I hope thats the sign for Quill to finally truly grow the fuck up.

So he can finally live up to his potential and become the Master Chief.

Edited by slimcoder on May 8th 2021 at 1:27:37 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127822: May 8th 2021 at 4:07:21 AM

Oh fuck speak of the Devil.

Guardians 3 may be the end of Drax

Sounds like Bautista is feeling to hang up the red markings.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127823: May 8th 2021 at 5:45:13 AM

[up] Or rather, if we see Drax after Vol. 3, it'll be someone else. In any case, it's the end of an era…sad

(And giving [up][up] some context, before appearing in the MCU, the Guardians of the Galaxy appeared in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, where Star-Lord was voiced by Master Chief from Halo.)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#127824: May 8th 2021 at 8:39:54 AM

Drax has always been my pick for "most likely to permanently die" of the Guardians, so that make sense. Granted, I thought he would die fighting Thanos, but Infinity and Endgame were rather light on emotional investment for any Guardians not makes Gamora, Nebula and to a lesser extent Rocket and Star-Lord.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#127825: May 8th 2021 at 8:45:24 AM

I actually thought they were going to kill of Rocket + Groot for some time,though it ended up just being Groot

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