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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#127776: May 5th 2021 at 2:51:46 PM

I just said that it's fun when Ghost Riders use other vehicles, even the second Nicolas Cage movie had a cool scene where he took over a giant piece of construction equipment. The primary mode of transportation for Ghost Rider should always be a motorcycle, though.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127777: May 5th 2021 at 3:01:45 PM

The effect is cooler with a bike than a car.

A car is too cumbersome, its too big and has unnecessary space. Motorcycles are more fitting for someone who rides and charges alone.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127778: May 5th 2021 at 3:02:04 PM

Ghost Rider is effectively a Fad Super for biker gangs, because as it turns out motorcycles + horror = All Bikers Are Hells Angels, so it makes stupid amounts of sense for a Ghost Rider to be a Badass Biker. It helps that when it comes to motored vehicles that it's significantly more wieldy than a full-on car or something.

That said Robbie makes the literal hot rod look damn good, and it's only fitting that he's a bit more experimental with his rides.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#127779: May 5th 2021 at 3:13:15 PM

Swinging your flaming chain over your head is also a lot easier and stylisher from a bike than from a car.

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#127780: May 5th 2021 at 3:34:21 PM

Instead of doing that, Robbie just hits people with the car.

Or goes hood surfing to do it. He has options.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#127781: May 5th 2021 at 5:20:32 PM

It's not like the motorcycle is going to stop being the iconic Ghost Rider vehicle any time soon, so I don't see the problem with one riding a car to shake things up a bit. IMO, it works pretty well... Agents of Shield really did a good job giving it a badass aura just like the bikes.

And just to get some last ideas out of the way: Ghost Rider in a Delorean, a Volkswagen, and a smart car.

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#127782: May 5th 2021 at 5:22:01 PM

what about a Ghost Rider who runs everywhere

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#127783: May 5th 2021 at 5:28:50 PM

Ghost Jogger

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127784: May 5th 2021 at 5:35:19 PM

Think he'd be more of a Speed Demon then.

Also I figure a lot of the perceived awkwardness of Robbie's car would dissipate if he car-surfed on it more with the car driving itself. I actually like to imagine him "phasing" through it rather than having to literally open the door to sit in the driver's seat, lol.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127785: May 5th 2021 at 5:37:48 PM

He actually can do that, the whole phasing thing.

Its why he can have the car crash into himself, it can't damage him.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#127786: May 5th 2021 at 5:40:17 PM

Regarding using his chain in a car, maybe he should go with a convertible?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127787: May 5th 2021 at 6:09:55 PM

I'm now reminded of this really dumb moment in the current Avengers run where Moon Knight power jacked from a bunch of heroes, including Ghost Rider.

He did so by stealing Robbie's car...... Yeah thats it, he just drove off with Robbie's car somehow and this granted him the powers of the Ghost Rider.

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#127788: May 5th 2021 at 6:19:48 PM

It’s been established that the car is a dick

Also Khonshu is a dick and those power stealing ankhs are incredibly unbalanced

Which if anything made it funnier when Black Panther just started pulling stuff out of his ass right back and claimed the ankhs liked him better

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127789: May 5th 2021 at 6:21:55 PM

That still doesn't make any sense. The Ghost Rider's power comes from the spirit possessing the host. Their vehicles are merely objects they personally enhance as instruments of their power.

It would have made more sense if Moon Knight just sucked out Morrow's soul out of Robbie's body. Eli Morrow is the source of Robbie being the Ghost Rider, same way Zarathos is what empowers Blaze and the other Riders.

Edited by slimcoder on May 5th 2021 at 6:22:56 AM

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Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#127790: May 5th 2021 at 6:26:35 PM

Eh, it's like how Green Lantern rings can't be removed from their user's fingers, except when they can. Narrative convenience>lore every time.

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#127791: May 5th 2021 at 6:27:41 PM

And yet when they tried to remove the ghost rider powers from Robbie, they tried to exorcise the car

Which didn’t work and led to a whole thing so maybe they should have tried ankhs instead

Honestly though, the moon knight arc made zero sense except on a rule of cool level. It had Moon Knight beat Iron Fist by spamming the same punch over and over. It had Moon knight summon Phoenix by beating himself up. It had Moon Knight declare apropos of nothing that Mjolnir is made of moon rocks and that means he can control it. New York is completely redecorated in faux Egyptian decoration and then undecorated by the end of the story. It was an arc of Moon Knight playing the “nuh uh” card in a sandbox fight and that’s why Black Panther doing it better is what helped resolve the plot

All of that aside we also see he had the ghost rider power in one of the ankhs and we don’t see the actual theft so it’s not unbelievable he just jacked the power and then car when Robbie was sleeping

Edited by Bocaj on May 5th 2021 at 9:28:34 AM

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#127792: May 5th 2021 at 6:32:07 PM

Does Moon Knight's power just work on belief? Like, anything can become true if he believes in it hard enough? If so, that makes me look forward to the Moon Knight tv show more, because that's hilarious.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127793: May 5th 2021 at 6:34:31 PM

Well he’s able to control Mjolnir (in the sense he can levitate it) because it very tenuously counts as a moon rock.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#127794: May 5th 2021 at 6:35:31 PM

[up]x2 I haven't read all of his appearances, but I'm pretty sure he's mostly a Badass Normal with some mystical artifacts at his disposal.

[nja]'d

Edited by Aleistar on May 5th 2021 at 9:35:46 AM

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#127795: May 5th 2021 at 6:35:58 PM

I think he’s generally Marvel Batman but in white and with multiple personalities

This arc was just weird because the god he always talks to decided to take over the world, for the greater good

Divine intervention explains a lot of the shit that happens, up to a point

Edited by Bocaj on May 5th 2021 at 9:36:50 AM

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#127796: May 5th 2021 at 7:35:22 PM

[up]x5 I have to say, the way you described the arc sounds so stupid, it goes back to being awesome. The question is, is the delivery good?

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#127797: May 5th 2021 at 7:43:02 PM

I liked it, but I have high tolerance for the patently absurd.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#127798: May 5th 2021 at 7:45:37 PM

Jason Aaron’s Avengers run is extremely contested.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#127799: May 5th 2021 at 7:51:21 PM

It helps that when Moon Knight controlled Mjolnir he was doing so while on the Moon where his power would naturally be at its peak.

Oh, and while the Ghost Rider gag is played out, I just wanted to add my take:

Ghost Rider riding another Ghost Rider.

Edited by M84 on May 5th 2021 at 10:53:01 PM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#127800: May 5th 2021 at 11:16:38 PM

I like Robbie. He's cool. The other riders are cool, too, but I dont think bikes are inherently cool. I've spent too much time around actual bikes. They arent special.


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