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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#127701: May 5th 2021 at 12:01:23 AM

I admit, I never found Coulson that interesting. I think they tried too hard with him, kind of like how Whedon tried too hard with Xander from Buffy.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127702: May 5th 2021 at 12:08:38 AM

I liked Coulson, but I might have liked him more earlier on when he was more characterized as a unflinching, unfazed Seen It All bureaucrat type.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127703: May 5th 2021 at 12:28:34 AM

I’m reminded of how Deadpool killing him in Secret Empire once again made the former a complete pariah because apparently Coulson is “beloved” by the superhero community.

I mean I know he’s a nice guy but he’s a Shield agent, those motherfuckers are dime a dozen.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#127704: May 5th 2021 at 12:41:13 AM

Well, did he do something to deserve it? I know a lot of Deadpool's kills are very unjustified in my eyes, since how nonchalant he is about it is often Played for Laughs. One reason I don't really care for him much.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127705: May 5th 2021 at 12:45:22 AM

He was manipulated by Hydra-Cap.

The issue is Secret Empire had tons of heroes working or being manipulated by Hydra for various reasons. Fucking Punisher willingly signed up as their hitman cause “Captain America is never wrong”.

And literally only Deadpool is held responsible for his actions while everything everyone else did is completely ignored. A complete double standard since Wade didn’t actually do anything any worse than what everyone else was already doing.

Edited by slimcoder on May 5th 2021 at 1:09:40 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127706: May 5th 2021 at 1:04:44 AM

I blame Maria Hill, who deserves to be that pariah

And the writers/editors who wanted a new direction for Deadpool and didn’t care how organic it was

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AdeptGaderius Otaku from the Anime World Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Otaku
#127707: May 5th 2021 at 3:29:04 AM

Because Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the TV canon is now considered semi-canonical, I hope there would be a more accurate adaptation of Deathlok, Ghost Rider as well a better treatment of the Inhumans.

Though, I don't know how to introduce Kamala Khan/Ms. Marvel into the MCU with her being an Inhuman.

Edited by AdeptGaderius on May 5th 2021 at 3:30:27 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127708: May 5th 2021 at 6:44:29 AM

How do you mean more accurate ghost rider

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#127709: May 5th 2021 at 6:58:38 AM

[up]Presumably Johnny Blaze, played by someone besides Nic Cage.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127710: May 5th 2021 at 7:01:24 AM

I wouldn’t term that more “accurate”

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#127711: May 5th 2021 at 7:06:46 AM

Having to start Ghost Rider from scratch again would probably be my biggest issue of ditching Agents of SHIELD.

Though Coulson's continued absence from the rest of the MCU really did make me wish that they were in separate continuities, just because it seems cruel that Tony Stark never learnt that Phil is alive. And went over a decade believing that too.

I really don't want to see the Netflix shows cut from continuity though. I really want to see what becomes of Luke Cage after the shift in status quo series 2 concluded with.

Peggy Carter? I would really like series 1 to be kept, but I'm not sure you can tell the general public "ah, half of this is still canon" that's kind of requesting too much attention to detail.

What's got me wondering is if Runaways and Cloak and Dagger are still cannon. They definatly seemed like they were their self contained thing and I wouldn't expect any additional content from them, but the comics versions of those characters are some of my favourites, and I totally wouldn't be interested in seeing them rebooted.

Edited by Whowho on May 5th 2021 at 3:07:22 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#127712: May 5th 2021 at 9:13:32 AM

Wednesdays are the new Fridays.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#127713: May 5th 2021 at 9:49:12 AM

Works for me. Wednesdays are my day off so I can just casually watch the episode in the morning instead of waking up at 5 am so I can squeeze in the episode before I have to leave for work, like I did for WandaVision and TFATWS.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127714: May 5th 2021 at 9:50:05 AM

Context for [up][up]: Loki's series got moved up to Wednesday June 9th, 2021!

And this is more to do with WB, but a recent article from The Hollywood Reporter has some insight on the upcoming Blade movie.

Namely, the production date got pushed from September 2021 to July 2022 and we have a list of directors who have met with Marvel about helming the movie:

  • Steven Caple Jr. (Creed II)
  • J.D. Dillard (Sleight)
  • Regina King (One Night in Miami)
  • Shaka King (Judas and the Black Messiah)

I myself am trying to will Rick Famuyiwa as Blade's director, but hey, so long as the movie turns out great at the end.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 5th 2021 at 9:51:04 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#127715: May 5th 2021 at 11:15:17 AM

I want my Ghost Rider on a bike. Everything else is just a cheap knock-off.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#127716: May 5th 2021 at 11:16:25 AM

Agreed, Ghost Rider just isn't Ghost Rider unless he's on a motorcycle.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#127717: May 5th 2021 at 11:18:52 AM

Robbie Rayes is giving you all a dirty look from the top of his sweet-ass car that he's going to run you over with.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#127718: May 5th 2021 at 11:18:57 AM

in before Ghost Rider rides a scooter

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127719: May 5th 2021 at 11:19:07 AM

The effect just isn't the same with a car.

Edited by slimcoder on May 5th 2021 at 11:19:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#127720: May 5th 2021 at 11:21:46 AM

A car lets you do sweet underwater donuts on Namor’s face

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#127721: May 5th 2021 at 11:22:18 AM

Yeah, Ghost Rider with a car is just lame, sorry.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#127722: May 5th 2021 at 11:23:47 AM

But it has four wheels and more seats! A motorcycle only has two wheels and one seat, how is that better?

Edited by fredhot16 on May 5th 2021 at 11:24:03 AM

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#127723: May 5th 2021 at 11:24:58 AM

I feel like it could work but you need a rugged car like a Ford Mustang.

The legend has returned.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127724: May 5th 2021 at 11:25:10 AM

We all know the superior Ghost Rider is the one riding a goddamn mammoth anyway.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
a
#127725: May 5th 2021 at 11:25:23 AM

Well now I want Ghost Rider on a Prius just because.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.

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