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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Ok.
They shouldn't say that.
Don't throw out Agents of Shield. That's my stance.
And nothing will sway me....
...well, ok, toss out Season's 6 and 7, because they don't fit. Everything else can work more or less.
One Strip! One Strip!Clearly we can solve this by having AOS be one of the first multiverses mcu crosses over with
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHey, on the subject of AOS and Marvel TV overall, people are noticing
that it and Agent Carter got shuffled to the "Marvel Legacy" section at Disney+.
And a while back, a(n executive?) producer for TFATWS revealed that (all of?) the Marvel shows before WV and TFATWS aren't really canon anymore?
...Sorry, everyone?
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 4th 2021 at 8:26:08 AM
Not gonna comment too much on that (most definitely doesn't look good, but I'm still waiting for Ms. Marvel before making a judgment call). Just want to establish, in case there's an OCD person like me out there itching to do this, the shows shouldn't be removed from the MCU pages.
They have enough connections to count as, like so many people have compared a million times before, Legends or Expanded Universe stories. I removed Helstrom, but only because it was declared separate the day of its release. These other shows have had time to establish continuity with the greater franchise, and while it increasingly looks like that was a waste of time, it's still enough of a connection to not go ahead and remove everything outright.
Also, I'm not actually OCD, but I like organizing stuff. And feel compelled to post things like this, when I'm pretty doubtful anyone cares about these specifics. Look, it makes me feel better to get my thoughts out there, okay?
Shit.
That is one way to put it. But then, AOS kinda went off the rails at some point, yeah? (Though I guess I'm gonna miss Ming-Na Wen as Melinda May...)
And we may as well forget even mentioning the Netflix shows.
But hey, silver lining: if it means having Absorbing Man in She-Hulk or finally having a live-action Kingpin in the MCU proper, I'm all for moving forward.
Besides, not like anyone here misses Jeph Loeb, right? So I'm equally fine with this if it's essentially the final nail in the coffin that is Loeb's career. Good riddance to bad rubbish and all.
It is really easy to get the impression that Feige likes to keep to his own toybox, that he doesn't really care what's been done in things he hasn't had an active hand with, and between Perlmutter's Inhumans push and SUMC that he doesn't like when others try to force him in a certain direction. It'd paint him like a Control Freak except he's made his brand such a solid seal of quality that it comes off more like Awesome Ego.
He'd probably love to just pull the trigger, declare everything not his non-canon, and be done with it. But he's One of Us, he openly says he reads internet comments, he knows if he swings the ax like that people are gonna be pissed the hell off. So he's waiting, continually dawdling on pulling the band-aid, and it's only a matter of time until it happens. But who knows, maybe he'll actually try to save at least some of it, namely actor choices.
Definitely Ghost Rider...
And since I'm here, I should chime in on a mini-update since I got a PM about it:
It would appear this update is only being applied to Disney+ in different regions, like in Brazil.
So some of you might have a "Marvel Legacy Movies" and "Marvel Legacy Animation," but AOS and AC might still be lumped in with WV and TFATWS in a "Marvel Live Action Series and Specials" section.
That being said, I would expect the shake-up to apply to other regions like USA later on. Yeah, it's easy to think changes like this happen overnight, and they do, but I guess the process is slower in certain corners.
Sorry if anyone is experiencing the weird discrepancy.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 5th 2021 at 7:32:01 AM
I suppose you could completely leave out the stuff with the Inhumans and say Skye-Daisies got her powers another way.
The series, still mostly works if you leave out a lot of that stuff.
So that does mean the second half of Season 2, and pretty much everything with Hive-Ward has to go.
One Strip! One Strip!I'm gonna say, screw Agents of Shield being canon.
Real talk the actual discrepancy is seasons 6 and 7, but that STILL rubs me the wrong way.
For all the problems the TV shows had (hi, Jeph Loeb), I feel they were an interesting facet of the MCU that was good because they were generally well, less cinematic. What I mean is that it was very refreshing to see the street-level heroes, and the world, for lack of a better term, react to whatever the latest movie introduced. It was refreshing to see street-level heroes deal with problems that are comparatively more down-to-earth - the Netflix shows and such were very interesting illustrations of the world between the blockbusters. I wouldn't call them more 'realistic', exactly, but it was refreshing to see conflicts that weren't huge, immediate and/or endangering large amounts of people and property. (Yes, I'm aware of Civil War, but that has its own problems and enough bombastic- and traditional-action-blockbuster-feeling to slot in with the rest of the feature films.)
So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my TumblrIn that sense I always felt like the netflix neck of the woods did this better. AOS always kind of struck me as "MCU on a budget" even when they were good due their tendency to shoot for the moon.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I prefer AOS. The Netflix show eventually hit me down hard with a case of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
I'd like Agent Carter Season 1 to stick around as canon, but Season 2 can go. It was full of problems, from an oddly high amount of torture scenes, Madame Masque being In Name Only and having a tragic backstory that is swiftly forgotten, Peggy's backstory turning from being a self-made hero into a stereotypically airheaded bride who was inspired by her brother, a low budget finale with no climactic battle with Masque, throwing in needless sequel hooks for a third season that was definitely not going to be made...
...and especially cutting out Peggy's best friend Angie to almost no screentime after their ship became the most popular one for the series, despite queerbaiting them throughout Season 2's promotion that Agent Carter actually won out over Agents of SHIELD in charity polls due to the Cartinelli fanbase.
...whew, can't believe I held that all in for 5 years.

Oh, no. It was a suggestion of what one could say.