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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#127476: May 1st 2021 at 1:04:00 PM

She apparently shapeshifted into Rhodey to talk to Tony during the time in or around Civil War II which, oof.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#127477: May 1st 2021 at 1:13:40 PM

maybe her superhero name should have been Changeling

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127478: May 1st 2021 at 1:13:41 PM

Oof, yeah. Nothing much to say there, just oof.

But yeah, I remember her original run going out of its way to not have her use the full extent of her shapeshifting (something about overuse potentially Depowering her) which I always thought was a waste of potential. That sort of full-body shapeshifting isn't that common in the Marvel universe, especially not on the hero side, and she sticks to making her arms and legs grow to make them stronger? Mister Fantastic isn't that restrained.

If it's become more of a thing in her more current stuff that's neat.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127479: May 1st 2021 at 1:38:30 PM

[up][up] That's taken. Beast Boy has called himself Changeling on occasion.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#127480: May 1st 2021 at 1:45:59 PM

He spent a lot of money on publicists to try to get Changling to catch on and then it didn't and people kept calling him Beast Boy

Its kind of funny

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ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#127481: May 1st 2021 at 1:46:39 PM

[up][up] And even if it wasn't, there's still the Marvel Changeling, AKA Morph.

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#127482: May 3rd 2021 at 6:30:24 AM

Eternals trailer!

By which I of course I mean 10 seconds of footage in a 3-minute trailer for the MCU in general. New titles for Black Panther and Captain Marvel sequels, so that's cool.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127483: May 3rd 2021 at 6:42:16 AM

[up] Specifically...

  • Black Panther II is now called Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
  • Captain Marvel 2 forgoes the "Captain" part altogether and is now called The Marvels.

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Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 3rd 2021 at 6:43:57 AM

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#127484: May 3rd 2021 at 6:52:37 AM

Hopefully this means that the full trailer is just round the corner.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#127485: May 3rd 2021 at 6:53:28 AM

Can't watch the video at the moment since my earbuds aren't working and I'm in public, but I'm guessing that The Marvels will probably be an ensemble between Carol Danvers, Monica Rambeau, and Kamala Khan. Maybe throw in Mar-vell's children as well.

Edited by Falrinn on May 3rd 2021 at 6:54:15 AM

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#127486: May 3rd 2021 at 6:58:39 AM

Good ol Phyla and -checks hand- Gene

Edited by Bocaj on May 3rd 2021 at 9:58:49 AM

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#127488: May 3rd 2021 at 7:36:08 AM

When do you think we'll see a real trailer for The Eternals and the next Spider-Man?

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#127489: May 3rd 2021 at 7:41:48 AM

Black Panther's Lupita Nyong'o Talks Sequel and Missing Chadwick Boseman

“I can’t even begin to imagine what it will be like to step on set and not have him there.” Nyong’o and Boseman were good friends, and losing him has taken a personal toll on her, “His passing is still extremely raw for me.”

The press has asked the actress if she’s excited about filming, but with a heavy sense of loss, how can anyone be excited? “People will ask me, ‘Are you excited to go back?’ Excitement isn’t the word. I feel like I’m in a very pensive and meditative state when it comes to Black Panther 2.”

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127490: May 3rd 2021 at 7:50:08 AM

[up] Hate to say it, but I already brought it up a few pages ago.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 3rd 2021 at 7:50:18 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#127491: May 3rd 2021 at 7:53:51 AM

[up][up][up] The Eternals comes out about 2 months after Shang-Chi, so I don't expect a trailer for that movie for at least another month, and then No Way Home will probably drop about a month after that.

Edited by Falrinn on May 3rd 2021 at 7:56:52 AM

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#127493: May 3rd 2021 at 8:22:12 AM

There are release dates for everything in the video:

  • Black Widow: July 9th, 2021

  • Shang-Chi: September 3rd, 2021

  • Eternals: November 5th, 2021

  • Spider-Man No Way Home: December 17th, 2021

  • Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: March 25th, 2022

  • Thor Love and Thunder: May 6th, 2022

  • Black Panther Wakanda Forever: July 8th, 2022

  • The Marvels: November 11th, 2022

  • Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania: February 17th, 2023

  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3: May 5th, 2023

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127494: May 3rd 2021 at 8:23:25 AM

[up][up] Not to worry.

People sort of glossed it over when I brought it up too, probably after reading a consensus of "yeah, a lot of us think not recasting T'Challa is a bigger slap to the face because the character is much more than one man, while some others of us are like no, it won't be the same without Boseman and besides, they already said no recast, so there."

And...yeah, maybe it's unhealthy to bring this up every other month, so carry on.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 3rd 2021 at 8:34:08 AM

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#127495: May 3rd 2021 at 8:26:13 AM

We didn't gloss over it, we talked about it for multiple pages. That article was what prompted that discussion.

Anyway, with the downright disgraceful way people treated Wandavision and Falcon and Winter Solder, if neither Spider-Man nor Dr. Strange actually gets into the multiverse proper, people are going to lose their minds.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 3rd 2021 at 8:49:27 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#127496: May 3rd 2021 at 9:02:06 AM

That article was what prompted that discussion.

Actually, what prompted the discussion was The Real Daytime discussing the pros and cons of recasting the character in light of an online petition.

The article regarding Lupita (which I cited initially and windleopard cited via a Gizmodo article) came five days after that.

But yeah, we've discussed it long enough. Let's move on.

Yeah, we really need multiverse shenanigans.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#127497: May 3rd 2021 at 9:09:24 AM

Nah, I honestly have little-to-no interest in the multiverse at this point. I'm much more interested in fleshing out and building up the Marvel world we have now than jumping into the multiverse. Some crazy shit has gone down and a lot of our heroes are gone, we need to build back up and move on to the next generation.

It's more that I hate the way people hated on Wandavision for not introducing X-Men, the F4, the multiverse, or anything else like that. People are so goddamn impatient and set up false expectations, and then get mad when they don't pan out.

How are those same people going to react when all the news we've heard about Spider-Man is just a Casting Gag with no connection to the multiverse, and Dr. Strange is just all about exploring different dimensions within the current MCU, such as the Dream Dimension? They're gonna go absolutely apeshit, they're gonna lose their minds.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 3rd 2021 at 9:10:11 AM

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#127498: May 3rd 2021 at 10:02:45 AM

Didn't Alfred Molina recently confirm in an interview that he is playing the Spider-Man 2 Doc Ock?

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#127499: May 3rd 2021 at 10:06:17 AM

IIRC, the way he said it could be interpreted that the rough events of Spider-Man 2 are going to be retconned into the MCU, thus he's playing a version of Otto Octavius with a history very similar to the events of Spider-Man 2, but not necessarily the same character from across universes.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 3rd 2021 at 10:55:57 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#127500: May 3rd 2021 at 10:18:14 AM

[up][up] and [up]: What Pushover said.

What Molina said was that the story of Doc Ock in the movie takes up right after what was his final scene in the old Spider-Man 2. Whether it means that he's literally going to be snatched from the Raimi universe or whether the MCU is just going to retell that story is something he never made clear, he made comments that could support either, and iirc he didn't really seem to know or care about the difference.

It's Jamie Foxx who made a concrete statement about whether he's playing the exact same character (according to him, he's not).

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 3rd 2021 at 10:20:37 AM


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