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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#127401: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:15:27 PM

RE:The Masters of Evil: Maybe merging the concept with the Thunderbolts?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Apr 29th 2021 at 7:15:46 AM

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#127402: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:17:00 PM

“Those running the Thunderbolt program thought themselves our masters. But we are the Masters now”

Some quippy jerk: “Only Masters of Evil, Darth”

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#127403: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:19:30 PM

Group of villains randomly brought together by the Beyonder in the first part of a Secret Wars two-parter, who stick together after helping stop him as either the official Masters or the Thunderbolts. Two big storylines for the price of one!

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127404: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:23:01 PM

I always imagined it'd be pretty easy to do chuck the Thunderbolts, The Dark Avengers and The Masters of Evil into a blender (but use only the Thunderbolts name given it's the more sonorous one).

The easier route is do a Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers mix: villains recruited/press ganged into becoming a new, government-sponsored Avengers (but again, called Thunderbolts). Some end up Becoming the Mask and turn heroic, some don't. The ones who don't assemble the Masters of Evil in the inevitable schism.

Edited by Gaon on Apr 29th 2021 at 4:23:44 AM

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#127405: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:30:58 PM

DC has done two movies already with a group of villains forcefully teamed up,so it will be interesting to see how Marvel's attempts go

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127406: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:36:46 PM

It's part of why I bring up the Dark Avengers mix. Allows to give them a more MCU angle to the premise (with the group being a more direct Evil Counterpart to the Avengers and exploring the MCU's rich conttinuity and the current slate of being "in a post-Avengers world").

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127407: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:36:55 PM

At the very least DC beat Marvel to something, villain protagonist films.

Though hopefully they actually act like villains unlike Suicide Squad 1.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#127408: Apr 29th 2021 at 4:41:40 PM

Marvel does have an edge in that they already have introduced a fair number of villains across their numerous films, so viewers would already be familiar with them. DC had to introduce a whole bunch of them at once.

I'm not saying one approach is better than the other, but it does offer new opportunities to explore these villains in without bogging the film down in introductions.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#127409: Apr 29th 2021 at 5:21:13 PM

Random thought - It's kind of too bad that Tony is no longer around, because if there is a Masters of Evil in the MCU, someone needs to make fun of the name by saying "Only a master of evil, Darth.

Edit - I missed Bocaj's post. [nja]

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 29th 2021 at 7:21:53 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#127410: Apr 29th 2021 at 5:27:48 PM

In term of a potential Thunderbolts roster, most people have pegged Ghost as well as (Falcon and Winter Soldier spoilers) Zemo and US Agent as likely members. Personally I'd like to see Songbird (the team's Ensemble Dark Horse) and Moonstone, though neither have appeared in the MCU thus far.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#127411: Apr 29th 2021 at 6:29:53 PM

[up][up] I'm sure Spider-Man would be up to it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127412: Apr 29th 2021 at 6:30:29 PM

He makes way too many pop culture references.

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#127413: Apr 29th 2021 at 7:21:43 PM

US Agent unfortunately had a Heel–Face Turn, so I feel like he won't be a part of this team-up, unless the writers figure out that was kinda a bad writing decision.

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#127414: Apr 29th 2021 at 7:26:53 PM

[up] Thunderbolts are akin to the Suicide Squad of DC though, and an Anti-Hero like John Walker would fit perfectly at home with the kind of dirty work they do.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#127415: Apr 29th 2021 at 7:30:44 PM

Like [up] said, while the original Thunderbolts were just posing as heroes to gain the Avengers' security clearances as a take over the world plot, they've kinda done that with Mysterio already, so I think they'd more likely adapt them as thier answer to the Suicide Squad.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#127416: Apr 29th 2021 at 7:45:35 PM

It really depends on whether Contessa is actually aligned with the US government or not. We’re not clear on who the hell she’s working for.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#127417: Apr 29th 2021 at 7:50:02 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up]There's been some speculation that Zawe Ashton's character in Captain Marvel 2 may be Moonstone.

Edited by comicwriter on Apr 29th 2021 at 7:50:11 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#127418: Apr 29th 2021 at 8:07:47 PM

Re: Squadron Supreme and Avengers parodies. Marvel's mocked DC far more than the other way around. Sentry and Artume were far more cruel than anything DC did.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#127419: Apr 29th 2021 at 8:48:05 PM

Sentry wasn't really making fun of Superman though in the same way Artume was making fun of Wonder Woman. Like, there's nothing inherently pointed about Superman's existence, at least no more than the any other Superman but X pastiches we've seen.

Edited by comicwriter on Apr 29th 2021 at 8:48:18 AM

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#127420: Apr 29th 2021 at 10:03:04 PM

So, just finished Falcon and the Winter Soldier and I loved it.

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#127421: Apr 29th 2021 at 11:28:13 PM

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No, it’s not CGI. That is a free-walking Groot robot!

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#127422: Apr 30th 2021 at 4:40:17 AM

Disney Imagineering honestly never fails to astound me.

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#127423: Apr 30th 2021 at 8:22:07 AM

While Sentry did get mean-spirited I wouldn't say it was aimed at him being a Superman Substitute. It more had to do with him plunging straight into Scrappy territory from the get-go and writers taking the opportunity to keep kicking him while he was down.

Edited by Watchtower on Apr 30th 2021 at 11:22:26 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#127424: Apr 30th 2021 at 9:04:43 AM

I did not read the Hercules comics so I was unfamiliar with Alrune.

Looking her up, I'm conflicted on whether or not to consider her a mean-spirited Corrupted Character Copy, because while on one hand, she is very obviously modeled after Wonder Woman, she also seems to feel like an authentic/organic Greek mythology adjacent character.

In particular, the idea of using gorgons turning people to stone as a parallel to Diana's creation is clever, and while obviously the myths were quite sexist, thinking about how Artemis treated Acteon, Alrune seems like a believable character.

As a comparison, I think that Marvel is clever in having the Kree be a dark parody of Crystal Spires and Togas Kryptonian society. Or similarly, parodying Superman with Ethan Edwards by having him be sent to Earth as a baby so he'd eventually conquer it, and having some of the less positive personality aspects that would be expected of someone who grew up in small town America.

In contrast, I'd say that the Sentry and Hyperion (when evil) are more of the standard unstoppable (and personally abhorrent) evil takes that are common for Superman (cf. The Plutonian and Homelander).

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 30th 2021 at 11:05:07 AM

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Too old for this
#127425: Apr 30th 2021 at 9:19:25 AM

I'm not sure the MCU would try featuring characters who are parodies of DCU characters, as it could be seen as too mean-spirited. It might work in a Deadpool film, though.

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