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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#125901: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:26:38 PM

He's goddamn Godmodder

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#125902: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:38:33 PM

A godmodder that was beaten into the ground by the Hulk pretty anti-climactically.

The legend has returned.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125903: Mar 9th 2021 at 12:44:27 PM

Aaron's run had this great moment where Loki tries to claim the title of Sorcerer Supreme and the human (-esque) wizards just laugh at his face. They point out that mortals and gods can both technically wield magic but humans have to sacrifice their sanity and physical health in insane schemes to channel divine power that can turn them to mush and make faustian bargains with eldritch powers just to get a flicker of power. Gods are just born with natural magic and bypass all those difficulties, so they basically are like privileged kids who don't know the half of it of how "real" magic is cast.

Later on Strange and Loki have a magic duel of sorts and the difference is illustrated with Loki being Unskilled, but Strong while Strange obviously has a much keener knowledge of the darker pathways of magic.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125904: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:13:05 PM

Seemed to me MCU!Loki was not a particularly powerful magic user. I don't think we have seen him do anything else than casting illusions, apart from a brief bout of telekinesis when he learns about his mother's death, though that could have been an illusion too. Then there was him getting owned by Strange, but I see this as the magical equivalent of a sucker punch anyway.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#125905: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:35:19 PM

apart from a brief bout of telekinesis when he learns about his mother's death, though that could have been an illusion too.

In Thor: The Dark World, Loki was told by one of the guards that his mother was dead and that's how he learned about it. Granted, the scene didn't have any dialogue, but we do see a guard talking to him and Loki brushing him off before he destroys his cell.

EDIT: My mistake, I thought you meant telepathy. I had a brain fart tongue

Edited by chasemaddigan on Mar 9th 2021 at 5:33:15 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125906: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:36:27 PM

Telekinesis is moving things with your mind

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125907: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:39:14 PM

Funnily enough Loki was the Sorcerer Supreme for a bit in Donny Cates run of Doctor Strange.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#125908: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:42:10 PM

Telepathy: communicating mind to mind

Telekinesis: moving objects with your mind

Telephonesis: growing a phone out of your head

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125909: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:42:39 PM

Depending on when the Falcon and Winter Soldier takes place, he could also be thinking of the events of Wandavision as well.

Seemed to me MCU!Loki was not a particularly powerful magic user.

It's a fantastic bit of irony that Loki is one of the least effective magic users in the MCU. The bit where Dr. Strange just instantly clowns him (with the first and presumably easiest spell he ever learned, to boot) is gold.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125910: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:50:07 PM

He had to multi class as a rogue and kept being dragged away from magic lessons to go on adventures with Thor

Granted he can turn into a snake. Haven’t seen Strange do that

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125911: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:51:45 PM

Really Loki is more a rogue than a wizard now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#125912: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:52:17 PM

Strange vs Frigga would be a better match in my opinion.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125913: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:52:41 PM

She’s also a multiclass I think

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125914: Mar 9th 2021 at 1:54:20 PM

Frigga seemed to have been a warrior first, otherwise she would probably have fought Malekith with a couple of well placed spells. Anyway at this stage magic in the MCU was not very developed and Asgardian magic was still trying to pass as some kind of sufficiently advanced science.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125915: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:13:28 PM

Asgardians just don't have much need to be that proficient at magic considering their superhuman physiques. Loki and Frigga seem to mostly shapeshifting and illustion crafting with some mild transmogrification (like how Loki often materializes his knives out of thin air) to complete their natural fighting.

In the comics Loki is a better sorcerer (though not on Strange's level of knowledge, if a great level of sheer power), but he still simply just doesn't need to be that complex and most Asgardians don't either.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125916: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:13:32 PM

MCU Asgardian magic is more akin to artificers than typical wizardry. In the early days of the MCU, they were still Doing In the Wizard in regards to magic, so they were very evasive in giving the Asgardians excessively supernatural magical powers rather than sci-fi stuff with a medieval flair. There are exceptions, like Loki's illusions and the casket of winter, but they're few.

So now that they're really trying to delve into the magical world, I like that they made it explicit that Loki's "only really does semi-shapeshifting illusions sometimes" magic is laughably underwhelming even in-universe.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 9th 2021 at 2:13:39 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#125917: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:15:30 PM

What If instead of trying to stab Thanos, Loki tried a sneak attack as a poisonous snake?

Or that might not work if Thanos's skin is just too hard to pierce.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125918: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:27:32 PM

Drax tried stabbing and cutting him a few times without much luck

Also that whole “all that for a drop of blood” moment

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#125920: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:30:51 PM

After the shitstorm that happened with Raya, it's gonna explode in their faces again without them seeming to learn anything.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125921: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:35:38 PM

Disney and Warner both shooting themselves in the foot. Ya hate to see it.

Edited by Gaon on Mar 9th 2021 at 2:35:52 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#125922: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:36:34 PM

Yeah, I don't see that date being feasible. Many states in the US are still vaccinating 65 and above, and Marvel's demographic tends to skew a broader and younger range.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 9th 2021 at 2:37:14 AM

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Goku Black
#125923: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:40:50 PM

I wonder If marvel will just bite the bullet and let this one stay so they don't need to change and constantly move the rest of their film schedule later they've had to.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#125924: Mar 9th 2021 at 2:50:23 PM

Warner is using a bazooka instead for some reason

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#125925: Mar 9th 2021 at 6:03:38 PM

Warner is trying to make lemons into lemonade by using it to drive interest in what was previously a flagging streaming service (apparently subscriptions have gone up significantly).

Disney isn't quite at that point of desperation because D+ was a hit straight out the gate.


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