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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It’s just Days of Future Past but longer and worse
Anyway I think with MCU Ultron it would have been interesting to play with the idea that he’s Bruce plus Tony. (Plus Thanos, idk, shhh)
Ultron: Always Angry
Fun fact: Age of Ultron the comical book is one of the things that makes me hate the hard man hard choices Avengers need someone willing to kill so Wolverine idea
He’s not willing to kill. He’s eager to jump to it as the first solution. The Avengers don’t need that or him
Edited by Bocaj on Feb 28th 2021 at 9:45:52 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAnd the fact that many writers treat Logan as a “kill first, ask questions never” kind of guy is something of a disservice to him.
Will he kill in the heat of battle? Yeah.
Will he kill in self defence? Yeah.
But he hates how he’s willing to kill, but thinks he’s already got too much blood on his claws, so he does it so others won’t need to.
Logan, like a lot of other characters, gets flanderized into Stabbity Man Killer-meister.
One Strip! One Strip!Logan is at his best when he's babysitting some super-kids and one of them asks him a surprisingly dark and poignant question that he answers in a mature and serious way.
One of my favorite X-Men related books was a short kid's novel about a mutant at Xavier's school who has the ability to not be noticed. Your senses just automatically gloss over him like he's not even there. He forms a friendship with Wolverine because Logan is the only person he can have a normal conversation with because of his super-senses. Turns out Logan goes to the kitchen every night to have a glass of strawberry milk. The climax is a tense and bloody battle between Wolverine and Sabertooth, who is also able to track our protagonist. It ends with the kid learning that his power doesn't affect people as much if he's having a conversation with them, which is super hamfisted, but the novel as a whole is pretty cute and well-written.
Hey, I can't believe that I finally found that kid's novel, it's called Wolverine: Worst Day Ever
. I thought I was imagining it for a second there. It's a good read, obviously a kid's book, but a good kid's book, with some wholesome depth and a bit of edge in the fight at the end.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 28th 2021 at 10:45:56 AM
So, less Marvel related and more Golden Globe related, but...
Chadwick Boseman is the first black actor to posthumously win the Golden Globe for Best Actor
for his role in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom.
And after reading his widow's speech, I don't think I want a recasted T'Challa after all. Yeah, it hurts to say and it's gonna hurt future Black Panther endeavors in the MCU in the long run, but unless something happens, Chadwick is just too great to replace.
And on the same spectrum, Chloé Zhao is the first Asian woman to win Best Director
for Nomadland and now I really want to see Eternals. (Where's the trailer?!)
Meh, regardless of how great Boseman was in the role, I still rather have them recast T'Challa. The character was just getting started.
Absolutely hate The Character Died with Him.
I'd rather let Boseman's legacy be respected by other in-universe characters taking up the mantle of Black Panther or becoming the new main hero.
It could be Shuri or M'Baku. Could be Nakia... All in all, this case of The Character Died with Him is very, very respectful. I am honestly not a fan of recasts myself and I feel like either letting the characters leave the franchise or give them a dignified death is better than super-imposing another actor into their roles.
Boseman's performance was unique, there's no need to try and have someone else fill in his shoes
Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, nglI hate the idea of not seeing T'Chala's story continue, but I can get why they'd do it, for some of the reasons already stated, but also because whoever follows him might get crushed by weight of Boseman's legacy.
Having to follow up his performance would be a lot of pressure to put on someone.
Will I miss T'Chala? Hell yes. But even if they were to consider re-casting, it won't be for many years. I can picture a good decade passing, or maybe even a new Marvel Universe movie series before we see a new Black Panther.
One Strip! One Strip!I still see refusing to recast as significantly less of a respectful move than it appears on the surface.
To be fair, it’s the kind of thing that’s respectful specifically from a Hollywood point of vie, which is why I’m not surprised they did it. Boseman was a great actor, and so as it goes for actors, retiring the character he is most identified with is respectful from the perspective of honoring his career.
But in terms of who Boseman was as a person and what he was endeavoring to do in portraying T’Challa (and other prominent black characters and people) in the first place, removing the character he was intent on bring to people because he is no longer around to do so himself is rather tone deaf.
Yes, there are other characters who can be moved into the role, but that's irrelevant to the problem that is raised by removing T'Challa in the way that they did. The entire point of making movies like Black Panther is to combat the idea that African American characters are expendable or disposable. We shouldn’t have to only get Shuri as BP because T’Challa needs to be replaced, nor is pushing the idea that there must be one or the other good for anybody - it only gives weight to the idea that there can only be limited space for African American representation and we have to make do with one or another.
We should be able to have both, but we can’t because Marvel has decided that T’Challa can no longer exist. In a time where Marvel should have been expanding the mythos and influence of the Black Panther brand, Marvel has chosen to make it that much smaller. Which strikes me as the opposite of what Boseman would want.
As a result, as a respect move it comes off as superficial IMO. They absolutely should have recast him.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 1st 2021 at 4:22:55 AM
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...I don't know if it's an ideal move, either. But in a timeline where the universe insists we continue T'Challa's saga, then maybe? I mean, it's an easy-sounding fix on paper. But even then, how do you explain the primary version's disappearance?
I'd have gone with John David Washington or Lakeith Stanfield, but I'm no casting professional.
Speaking of casts and whatnot, in light of recent sexual allegations, T.I., who played Scott Lang's friend Dave, isn't showing up for Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 1st 2021 at 4:28:28 AM
I can see them not recasting for the time being, but eventually bring T'Challa back in via Time-Shifted Actor.
I think he's implied to be pretty young. Felt like he was suggested to be in his 20s considering Shuri (whose actor is around 30 now) was said to be in her teens in the first movie (which took place around 2016). And Chadwick Boseman was known for being a real life example of Older Than He Looks, meaning they could get away with an actor of similar age without it being too unbelievable.
Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 1st 2021 at 7:31:54 AM
My guess is mid-30's given Chadwicks own age and the way he was presented in the movies, he was a new King but not fresh to the costumed stuff.
The question to recast or not is difficult. It did feel like we just got to really know the character so it's a shame not to continue, but recasting is basically like starting over anyway. Likewise having the character die off screen after his death and resurrection in Infinity War / Endgame doesn't feel right either. I do like the idea of a flashback to a young T'Challa, as it pays respect to the character but can also facilitate whatever happens with his legacy.
Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.There’s going to be a T’Challa focused episode in What If
That might be something to do. Do a couple of Black Panther things in other works first
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Agh, I hate how T'Challa got dusted in Infinity War only to lose him for real two years later in real world time. (I wouldn't be surprised if IW's writers are probably kicking themselves for that...)
How did WB handle the Dumbledore recasting? (It's the only analogy I can think of for this kind of situation, sorry.)
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 1st 2021 at 4:57:09 AM

It's hard to describe, really. There are tons of issues with it. First of all, for an event called "Age of Ultron", the titular villain is barely in it.
Instead, it devolves into an absolutely confusing mess of a storyline of Time Travel, alternate timelines, magic and what not.
Also, the setting is barely explained at all. It just starts with the world in ruins and that's it. And the main characters are basically Wolverine (as if the world hasn't seen enough of him already) and Sue Storm, who have no real chemistry with each other whatsoever.
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