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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah, but we've now had a streak of 9 movies in a row with bomb-ass villains, interrupted only by Hela having great presence but not a lot of depth. We haven't had a truly mediocre villain since Kaecilius in 2016.
Ego, Vulture, Killmonger, Thanos, Ghost, and Mysterio were all awesome.
As for Captain Marvel, the main villain is either the Supreme Intelligence or Yon-Rogg, either of which was fairly good, though I'd say the Supreme Intelligence was better.
I've heard the Mysterio twist be described as the Mandarin twist done right, simply in that while Trevor Slattery was neat and Killian was a wet fart, both sides of Quentin Beck were good and engaging. Which I pretty much agree with.
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He was snarky and somewhat charming but that it, he lack presence and he is not threating at all since the biggest hit he does to the avenger happen in thanks to wanda and pietro, when they deflect he lose vision pod(in a rather badly make fight with cap), kidnap natasha for...reason and his final fight he barely do anything excet be there and trying to sound menacing, he is too much bark and not bite.
Imo Hela suffered a lot from the movie being split into two very separate arcs. A lot of the meat of villain characterization scenes in the middle of the film were given to Grandmaster, while Hela got a bunch of more generic "evil conqueror / I was supposed to rule" scenes.
Hela has the shared backstory that Grandmaster doesn't, but she ends up being another Marvel villain without a lot of substance to her.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 27th 2021 at 10:56:26 AM
Man, looking back at the first few pages on this thread...it's come a looooong way.
Anyhow,
just curious on what upcoming project everyone's excited for. I'm really gunned for The Eternals, because a) I have never ever heard of them and b) Chloe Zhao is a fantastic director.
Also, Captain Marvel 2. Just 'cause.
Something that still gets me is that the one major kill that Ultron gets is with him in the cockpit of a quinjet. But why did he need to be in a quinjet? Any baddie could shoot at people from a quinjet. He's a flying death machine and he killed Quicksilver with conventional military weaponry. In the long-run that doesn't matter, but I feel like Ultron wasn't really utilized as Ultron.
Ultron was actually pretty fine personality wise-some people felt he was too emotional, but he is very emotional in the comics.
But he never felt like a significant threat. Which, ok, neither was Loki, but that's kind of Ultron's thing in the comics. Being made of adamantium means the heroes can't just punch him out (or when they do, such as in Ultron Unlimited, it's a huge, set-piece, crowd pleasing moment that takes the entire team pushing themselves to the limit), and he has enough power to defeat most any individual Avenger without much strain.
Even the best "hero acknowledges antagonist line" in Age of Ultron goes to the Maximoffs (mostly Wanda), not him.
Yeah, in the comics Ultron is one of the most threatening villains in the Avengers' Rogues Gallery for good reason.
Disgusted, but not surprisedUltron suffered from the Wheadon's idea that the Avengers can curb-stomp anyone as long as they get their shit together.
Its why Ultron wasn't threatening. Because he was intended to be a weakling who only got as far as he did due to the groups dysfunction and the Maximoff's manipulations.
Edited by slimcoder on Feb 27th 2021 at 11:23:55 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Loki establishes himself as a threat quickly by blowing up a base full of SHIELD agents, holding his own against Captain America, outsmarting the Avengers aboard the Helicarrier, and killing the beloved comic relief, until he is satisfyingly humiliated in the climax.
Ultron doesn’t get an onscreen kill until the third act, barely provides a challenge against the Avengers in a direct fight, and is treated given the joke treatment frequently, diminishing his presence and threat.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 27th 2021 at 11:33:39 AM
He failed to sell his threat level as a villain, but I will fight anybody who says we should have gotten emotionless, machine-like Ultron over emotional, human-in-a-metal-body Ultron. James Spader's performance thereof is great.
"Beep boop exterminate humans" robots are a dime a dozen and they aren't interesting to watch at all.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!While comics Thanos was all "love me Death love me!" and MCU Thanos was all "I know I was right and I'm gonna prove it no matter what!", comics Ultron was all "Why didn't you love me daddy!"
Ultron basically took out his Daddy Issues on all organic life.
Edited by M84 on Feb 28th 2021 at 5:31:00 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

To emphasize how artificial and manufactured the Mandarin appearance was intended to be.
Edited by slimcoder on Feb 27th 2021 at 7:24:20 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."