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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#125576: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:39:45 PM

Yeah! Does that sound like someone boring to you?

Does it? Cause it doesn't to me, and if Gunn thought he was uninteresting, then he wasn't reading the right stories if you ask me.

If he read them at all, considering how different Star Lord is now.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125577: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:40:11 PM

IIRC, Gunn's specific gripe about Dick Rider is that he was human and he wanted Quill to be the only human in the series he was connected with. Hence stuff like Drax and Mantis being aliens in the MCU.

Gunn has - I think - since changed his mind. There were rumblings about possible Nova appearances or even a movie a couple years ago, though we haven't heard anything about it since COVID.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#125578: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:43:01 PM

[up]

Ok. That's fair.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125579: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:43:21 PM

Fun Fact: Gamora was in a major-ish relationship with Nova.

Presumably Quill and Gamora's romance was at least in part lifted from Gamara's tryst with Dick.

Actually Dick was the one who convinced Gamora to join the Guardians in the first place. It was after Annihilation, he called her up to his room, she got pissed and trashed it because she thought it was a post-victory booty call, but he managed to convince her so she can do something good with her life.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125580: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:43:51 PM

The Nova becoming the not green lanterns we all know and know would be an interesting direction for post Thanos kicking their asses

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#125581: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:45:29 PM

Yeah, apparently he's read "approximately 75 percent of all Nova comics since Guardians 1 came out, so he may be more amenable to including him.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125582: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:45:40 PM

I wouldn't mind even MCU Dick Rider Nova to be more space opera, to differentiate them from the GL Corps.

Like, have Dick Rider have the most powerful ship in the universe, and we get stuff like fleets of ships against giant space monsters like Fing Fang Foom or the Annihilation wave and so on.

Unoriginalusername3 from Nimmermeer Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#125583: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:46:03 PM

About the power stone on Morag: IIRC Word of God said that Morag got covered in oceans due to some climate disaster and now the planet is only accesible once every 100 years or something.

Edited by Unoriginalusername3 on Feb 27th 2021 at 11:46:36 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125584: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:47:48 PM

That’s so ridiculous that it wraps around to cool

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#125585: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:51:23 PM

You know, there's an easy time to get all the stones in one go.

2018 Wakanda, after Thor goes for the chest but before Thanos snaps his fingers. You've got, like, a 30-second window to go for the head and take the full set of stones, gauntlet included.

With the original surviving Avengers they could have just sent Thor back to stick a second axe into Thanos.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 27th 2021 at 5:52:12 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#125586: Feb 27th 2021 at 2:54:04 PM

Maybe, but that the risk of failing that attempt with such a tiny sliver of time to act might be too great the gamble, especially with future Thor not being in a great state of mind. Plus all their past selves are there and now they have to deal with them assuming the past Avengers presume the worst of these sudden future selves.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 27th 2021 at 2:55:29 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#125587: Feb 27th 2021 at 5:04:09 PM

I admit I would be intrigued by the idea of a non-pop culture obssessed mature Earthling on the same ship with Star Lord.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125588: Feb 27th 2021 at 5:04:42 PM

The Guardians would immediately elect him as leader.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#125589: Feb 27th 2021 at 5:28:10 PM

They totally would.

Like, it's a miracle they haven't flat out elected Thor as leader yet.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#125590: Feb 27th 2021 at 5:37:28 PM

Daily reminder that in-universe Rocket spent more time with the Avengers than the Guardians.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#125591: Feb 27th 2021 at 5:48:43 PM

[up][up] Just give someone the chance to bring it up.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125592: Feb 27th 2021 at 6:14:48 PM

Rocket did use everyone’s unspoken unity of dunking on Quill in the face of Thor to promote himself to leader

Not that it really matters since the guardians tend to do whatever they want in a given situation

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#125593: Feb 27th 2021 at 6:18:11 PM

For me, no Mandarin vs Iron Man is the MCU's biggest wasted opportunity. I know Shane Black tried to justify it as Values Dissonance, but by that same logic we can't have Batman vs Ra's al Ghul anymore.

Difference is Ra's al Ghul does not come from one of the biggest and most powerful film markets on the planet. While I do think a desire to avoid offensive stereotypes partially influenced the route the Iron Man movies went with the Mandarin, I am guessing Marvel's bigger worry was potential backlash from the Chinese film censors.

Even at the time I remember Asian and Asian American commentators discussing the change and saying it was almost certainly motivated by money rather than progressivism.

Edited by comicwriter on Feb 27th 2021 at 6:19:22 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125594: Feb 27th 2021 at 6:19:44 PM

Batman Begins race lifted R’as anyway

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#125595: Feb 27th 2021 at 6:58:20 PM

[up][up]I was more talking about how Shane Black seemed bizarrely insistent in interviews at the time that the Mandarin was still the exact same stereotypical character he was in his early Silver Age appearances. Like, he seemed legitimately unaware that later writers toned down the yellow peril stuff greatly and made him an actual character.

Not to mention how Ben Kingsley's Mandarin could've been legitimately awesome if he wasn't Trevor.

Edited by lbssb on Feb 27th 2021 at 6:59:53 AM

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#125596: Feb 27th 2021 at 7:13:46 PM

At least use the rings somewhere! They're so cool.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125597: Feb 27th 2021 at 7:16:03 PM

Hell the Armored Adventures cartoon had a pretty cool Mandarin.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125598: Feb 27th 2021 at 7:16:13 PM

I was fine with the fake Ben Kingsley Mandarin. The twist was the best part about that movie. It's the bland Killian "Mandarin" I had a problem with.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 27th 2021 at 7:16:33 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125599: Feb 27th 2021 at 7:18:16 PM

Killian: "I'm the Mandarin!"

Someguy: "I'm the Mandarin and so's my wife!"

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#125600: Feb 27th 2021 at 7:23:58 PM

I still don't know why the MCU has such an inconsistant villain problem.

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