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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#125451: Feb 25th 2021 at 5:21:11 AM

There's a phenomenon that happens to me when I'm watching a movie, or indeed any work of fiction. No matter how ridiculous the pseudoscience is, if the characters are doing interesting things with it and the story is entertaining I'm totally willing to suspend my disbelief in the moment. It's only afterwards that I start thinking about how inconsistent the whole deal was.

Now if the story and characters are crap, then the lack of consistency and junk science become intolerable. Exhibit A:Battleship

Similarly, if the pseudoscience is the premise of the story rather than a transparent plot device, then I absolutely will lose suspension of disbelief out of the gate. The Day After Tomorrow comes to mind.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 8:30:25 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#125452: Feb 25th 2021 at 5:22:35 AM

It's a typical nonsensical explanation.

The comics established that the Pym Particles actually open up a miniature portal to an alternate dimension where the extra mass is transported and brought back when you de-shrink.

...except they didn't, I made that up, but you believed that, didn'tcha? tongue

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#125453: Feb 25th 2021 at 5:24:19 AM

I immediately recognized that as the explanation for the size-changing in the Transformers universe. Nice try, though.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 8:24:39 AM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#125454: Feb 25th 2021 at 5:30:42 AM

IIRC one of the big executive meddling problems in the first Ant Man film was one side was determined to have a 'proper explanation' on how the shrinking worked while the other side was like 'Its COMICS, we'll just technobabble it!'

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#125455: Feb 25th 2021 at 5:32:04 AM

If that's true, then I am totally on the side of the comics people. You've given us infinite free energy, alien gods, mystical stones that can rewrite reality, etc. You really think the audience is going to get hung up on the scientific accuracy of a shrinking device?

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#125456: Feb 25th 2021 at 5:50:57 AM

I don't really care about any kind of scientific accuracy or even attempt at one, so I'm usually OK when something is explained via Technobabble. I do mind, however, when a piece of technobabble suddenly displays capacities that were explicitly ruled out before. That's why I had this reaction to the Ant-Man "scientific" explanations. I don't mind at all when something works by "magic" or a long string of technobabble (which I usually abbreviate as "it works because the smurf smurfs the smurf").

To take an example from another franchise, I wouldn't mind at all if the sonic screwdriver was revealed to be able to remote-control the TARDIS when needed, but I would be if it was suddenly able to work on wood or deadlock seals because the fact it could not was a plot point in other episodes.

Pretty sure there is such an example in the MCU but I can't find one right now...

Edited by C105 on Feb 25th 2021 at 2:53:11 PM

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#125457: Feb 25th 2021 at 6:09:57 AM

Actually that was an explanation eventually given for how Pym particles work

And also how shifting to larger or smaller masses works in Animorphs

As for Hank’s explanation in the film, I assume he was lying. Either to avoid having to explain three hours of science to Scott or because he really is that secretive about the particles

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 25th 2021 at 9:11:35 AM

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#125459: Feb 25th 2021 at 7:50:00 AM

Nevermind

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 25th 2021 at 4:08:16 PM

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#125460: Feb 25th 2021 at 7:50:34 AM

"I Am Not A Theoretic Atomic Physicist". It's a riff on "I Am Not A Lawyer".

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 10:53:25 AM

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#125461: Feb 25th 2021 at 7:51:19 AM

Topic change

Going back to Blade a moment,the film not being rated 18 sounds about right,the PG 13 rating makes the films accessible and means they can be part of Cinematic Universe of similar age appropriate movies

Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 25th 2021 at 4:13:09 PM

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#125462: Feb 25th 2021 at 8:43:00 AM

So the vampires aren’t gonna die in over-the-top gory explosions and Blade most likely won’t curse. That’s fine, the spirit of Blade will definitely still be there.

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#125463: Feb 25th 2021 at 8:44:33 AM

Blade will still curse,just not excessively.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125464: Feb 25th 2021 at 8:55:51 AM

He can say shit as much as he wants to, but can only say fuck once.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#125465: Feb 25th 2021 at 9:31:15 AM

My headcanon is that Tony developed artificial vibranium because I love linking my nonsensium elements.

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#125466: Feb 25th 2021 at 9:47:10 AM

See, the Arc Reactor I can suspend by disbelief for. Palladium fuel aside, it's enough of a black box that we don't know what the hell he's built, just that it's a super-compact energy generator. It's nonsense, obviously, but I'm willing to accept he has some super-advanced architecture in there that makes it so powerful.

Speaking of the Arc Reactor and speaking of Ant-Man, the Yellowjacket suit is pretty incredible even before the shrinking tech. Cross built a solid titanium flight-capable Iron Man suit without an Arc Reactor to power it.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 25th 2021 at 12:48:48 PM

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#125467: Feb 25th 2021 at 9:54:46 AM

[up][up] “Congratulations, sir, you’ve created a new element. ... Sir, you’re being sued for copyright infringement by a ‘Wakanda’”

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#125468: Feb 25th 2021 at 9:58:43 AM

Of course, the most unrealistic part of the Iron Man armor is that Tony can fly around or get thrown around with all these really sudden changes in acceleration, and just be fine. Sure, the suit may be able to hold up under the strain, but the guy inside would still have all his internal organs sink down into his knees.

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#125469: Feb 25th 2021 at 9:59:51 AM

I like when he crash lands after flying away in the original box-of-scraps Iron Man suit.

He should be dead.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#125470: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:10:21 AM
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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#125471: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:11:18 AM

Please don't just post links or videos with no context.

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#125472: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:16:58 AM

[up][up][up] Yep. Even if you stipulate the arc reactor being built in a cave with a box of scraps, the movie is over after Tony crashes into the desert. By all rights his liquidized organs should have been oozing out the joints. There's also the crash when he gets shot down by a tank, which is at least an order of magnitude faster.

But it goes farther. If you claim that the suit "protects him" somehow, that doesn't explain how he survives getting flung around his garage while he's building the thing during the second act. He's not wearing any armor in that scene (other than the glove).

The only conclusion is that Tony is superhuman already. He's like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.

Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 1:19:59 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#125473: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:20:35 AM

Yeah when he tests the thrusters and slams his unprotected body into the wall? Dead again, after he already died from the crash landing.

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#125474: Feb 25th 2021 at 10:22:11 AM

The only way to put Tony down was by making him use the Infinity Glove, after all.

But yes, the sequences of Tony building his armour seemed to have operated on Cartoon Physics.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#125475: Feb 26th 2021 at 10:54:18 AM

First look at the Shang-Chi costume. Potential spoilers for the film. Looks like Fin Fang Foom rumors were right.

Edited by comicwriter on Feb 26th 2021 at 10:54:59 AM


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