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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I immediately recognized that as the explanation for the size-changing in the Transformers universe. Nice try, though.
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 8:24:39 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"If that's true, then I am totally on the side of the comics people. You've given us infinite free energy, alien gods, mystical stones that can rewrite reality, etc. You really think the audience is going to get hung up on the scientific accuracy of a shrinking device?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I don't really care about any kind of scientific accuracy or even attempt at one, so I'm usually OK when something is explained via Technobabble. I do mind, however, when a piece of technobabble suddenly displays capacities that were explicitly ruled out before. That's why I had this reaction to the Ant-Man "scientific" explanations. I don't mind at all when something works by "magic" or a long string of technobabble (which I usually abbreviate as "it works because the smurf smurfs the smurf").
To take an example from another franchise, I wouldn't mind at all if the sonic screwdriver was revealed to be able to remote-control the TARDIS when needed, but I would be if it was suddenly able to work on wood or deadlock seals because the fact it could not was a plot point in other episodes.
Pretty sure there is such an example in the MCU but I can't find one right now...
Edited by C105 on Feb 25th 2021 at 2:53:11 PM
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.Actually that was an explanation eventually given for how Pym particles work
And also how shifting to larger or smaller masses works in Animorphs
As for Hank’s explanation in the film, I assume he was lying. Either to avoid having to explain three hours of science to Scott or because he really is that secretive about the particles
Edited by Bocaj on Feb 25th 2021 at 9:11:35 AM
Forever liveblogging the Avengers"I Am Not A Theoretic Atomic Physicist". It's a riff on "I Am Not A Lawyer".
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 10:53:25 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Topic change
Going back to Blade a moment,the film not being rated 18 sounds about right,the PG 13 rating makes the films accessible and means they can be part of Cinematic Universe of similar age appropriate movies
Edited by Ultimatum on Feb 25th 2021 at 4:13:09 PM
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverSee, the Arc Reactor I can suspend by disbelief for. Palladium fuel aside, it's enough of a black box that we don't know what the hell he's built, just that it's a super-compact energy generator. It's nonsense, obviously, but I'm willing to accept he has some super-advanced architecture in there that makes it so powerful.
Speaking of the Arc Reactor and speaking of Ant-Man, the Yellowjacket suit is pretty incredible even before the shrinking tech. Cross built a solid titanium flight-capable Iron Man suit without an Arc Reactor to power it.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Feb 25th 2021 at 12:48:48 PM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!![]()
“Congratulations, sir, you’ve created a new element. ... Sir, you’re being sued for copyright infringement by a ‘Wakanda’”
Of course, the most unrealistic part of the Iron Man armor is that Tony can fly around or get thrown around with all these really sudden changes in acceleration, and just be fine. Sure, the suit may be able to hold up under the strain, but the guy inside would still have all his internal organs sink down into his knees.
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Yep. Even if you stipulate the arc reactor being built in a cave with a box of scraps, the movie is over after Tony crashes into the desert. By all rights his liquidized organs should have been oozing out the joints. There's also the crash when he gets shot down by a tank, which is at least an order of magnitude faster.
But it goes farther. If you claim that the suit "protects him" somehow, that doesn't explain how he survives getting flung around his garage while he's building the thing during the second act. He's not wearing any armor in that scene (other than the glove).
The only conclusion is that Tony is superhuman already. He's like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 1:19:59 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"The only way to put Tony down was by making him use the Infinity Glove, after all.
But yes, the sequences of Tony building his armour seemed to have operated on Cartoon Physics.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.First look at the Shang-Chi costume
. Potential spoilers for the film. Looks like Fin Fang Foom rumors were right.
Edited by comicwriter on Feb 26th 2021 at 10:54:59 AM

There's a phenomenon that happens to me when I'm watching a movie, or indeed any work of fiction. No matter how ridiculous the pseudoscience is, if the characters are doing interesting things with it and the story is entertaining I'm totally willing to suspend my disbelief in the moment. It's only afterwards that I start thinking about how inconsistent the whole deal was.
Now if the story and characters are crap, then the lack of consistency and junk science become intolerable. Exhibit A:Battleship
Similarly, if the pseudoscience is the premise of the story rather than a transparent plot device, then I absolutely will lose suspension of disbelief out of the gate. The Day After Tomorrow comes to mind.
Edited by Fighteer on Feb 25th 2021 at 8:30:25 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"