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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125276: Feb 22nd 2021 at 2:14:38 AM

[up] I agree, it depends on what his next appearances will show him to have evolved. I guess that having his family returned to him and Nat's sacrifice should help, but I wonder how much his Ronin phase will come back to haunt him one way or another.

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125277: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:05:29 AM

Marvel comics, almost as if to spite their big-screen cousins everyone likes, have spent the last 15-20 years making their characters as unlikable as possible, or taking them through wildly unpopular changes and then laughing at people who complain (case in point, She-Hulk). If I didn’t know better, I would guess the goal is to make characters so radioactive they don’t have to share anymore.

As Captain Marvel demonstrated though, no one really cares enough about the comics (or outrage channels) for such a tactic to actually work.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#125278: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:16:28 AM

What is it with comics turning all characters into douchebags eventually?

An often misguided attempt to keep characters of an ongoing story relevant. The longer a story lasts, the more twists you have to add to keep things interesting. In theory, a character taking a level in jerkass can work but execution matters. It doesn't help that a lot of these choices were done for shock value rather than any real character development.

[up] I doubt it has anything to do with the movies. It's more or less the direction they've been following since Civil War which, for good or for ill, boosted the profile of quite a number of characters including Iron Man.

Edited by windleopard on Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:17:47 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#125279: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:19:46 AM

[up][up]There's so much wrong with that post, I don't even know where to start.

I suppose the fact that the movies often get in the way of the comics as the editorial of the latter forces synergy that does nothing but ruin perfectly well-established characterizations.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125280: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:27:21 AM

[up]I know it’s more coincidental than anything, but it feels like the two interpretations have tried to go in opposite directions in tone. The comics, independent of anything else, have become profoundly cynical, everyone is a jerk, and the narrative actively ridicules people not on board with the direction (She-Hulk being the most recent example off the top of my head).

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#125281: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:38:03 AM

There have been attempts to fight back against the cynicism at least. With varying degrees of success.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#125282: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:50:26 AM

[up][up] Yeah, but describing it as willful sabotage is just Poison Oak Epileptic Trees.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125283: Feb 22nd 2021 at 4:58:30 AM

What is the deal with She-Hulk now? The two main runs I remember from her were the Byrne one where the fourth wall was subjected to outrages Deadpool would only dream of, and another where they concluded she was more useful as an attorney than as a green punching giant because they already had one, and she was rather well handled in both. What have they done to her character now?

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#125284: Feb 22nd 2021 at 5:15:12 AM

If Im on the right page, she's abandoned her normal She-Hulk form for a Savage equivalent. And also a character tirade about how the pretty form wasnt the real her and now she's free to be ugly or some such. I haven't seen much of it, but it reads like the author has a very specific message in mind and it wasnt for me.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:16:00 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125285: Feb 22nd 2021 at 6:17:25 AM

[up]x3 - In my defense, I said it would seem like, if people didn’t know better. But that’s all besides the point.

The point is - Namor’s a jackass. But he’s the sort of jackass that is interesting enough to follow. He’s the undersea equivalent of Dr. House.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125286: Feb 22nd 2021 at 7:03:38 AM

There’s more to the She Hulk thing than that

Due to exposure to cosmic nonsense she’s bigger and beefier than ever although not remotely a gross pile of muscles like I’ve seen people say

Daredevil under the influence of OMNISCIENCE said that there’s some cosmic conflict that she’s been beefed up for. Probably Dan Slott’s Reckoning War which has recently been teased again

At the same time she was in an emotionally bad place after being blown up, dying, undying, and learning her cousin died while she was in a coma

So she’s been enjoying getting to just be a monster and not have to be charming while at the same time hating herself a little about it and literally having Classic She Hulk put her on trial in her mind

Her inner monologues have her being pretty much just as Jen as ever but she has trouble getting her thoughts out now in Hulk form and rarely bothers

Jason Aaron has taken some shots at critics about it, because he does that, and there was an ill conceived monologue about a conversation Jen and Bruce had where Jen said being a woman was more difficult than being a Hulk

But overall the arc is similar to but not as masterfully executed as Betty Ross/Harpy on Immortal Hulk where she also decided she’d rather be a monster than nice

Aaron isn’t great at juggling character beats though so there hasn’t been a lot of progress on She Hulk but I really feel that people mischaracterize what’s going on there

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#125287: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:14:46 AM

Some more thoughts on Namor

I don't think he's getting a movie of his own for a long time yet,he'll probably start appearing as a reoccurring villain though,get audiences used to him before making him an anti villain

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#125288: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:15:49 AM

I'm pretty sure that only happened because Ewing was writing the Hulk book so they couldn't use Hulk on the Avengers. It's one of those things.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#125289: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:26:50 AM

 The two main runs I remember from her were the Byrne one where the fourth wall was subjected to outrages Deadpool would only dream of

At some point, we need to have MCU!She-Hulk dealing with MCU!Deadpool.

Just to see what will happen.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125290: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:39:11 AM

[up] Assuming MCU!She-Hulk has some fourth-wall breaking abilities too. Although if not Deadpool can still tease her about how he's the only one to have them in this medium.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125291: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:41:14 AM

There was a joke like that in marvel vs capcom

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125292: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:42:01 AM

Having Shulkie represent Deadpool in an episode of She-Hulk would probably fit like a glove...and be the most viewed episode of the season.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125293: Feb 22nd 2021 at 8:44:41 AM

It would be quite fun to have Shulkie pick up on Deadpool's fourth-wall breaking references and answer to them.

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125294: Feb 22nd 2021 at 9:29:47 AM

If ya wanna get an idea of how bad the treatment of She-Hulk is now.

In the author tirade issue, Jen recounts a past encounter where Bruce says he is jealous of Jen because the world loves and doesn’t fear or hunt her down like a dog. While Jen reveals that this made her want to punch him because she’s actually jealous of him because she hates all the attention she gets from guys like people putting posters of her in their room and......... apparently being groped all the time.

She much prefers being feared and everyone hating her because she thought Bruce had it better.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#125295: Feb 22nd 2021 at 9:33:30 AM

Who in the fuck gropes She-Hulk, and why do they still have arms?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#125296: Feb 22nd 2021 at 9:47:50 AM

Not that I'm against using She-Hulk to explore such issues, in fact, as an Ethical Slut I feel she's a perfect character to do just that, but the problem is that the current run not only went in the opposite direction of all of her established characterization, it just turned her into "Hulk-lite"

It made her redundant, and as Slim said once, there's no worse fate for a character than becoming redundant.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125297: Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:06:40 AM

As noted the primary reason why she is on the run to begin with is because Jason Aaron the writer of writers said Avengers run, can’t use regular Hulk cause he’s over in Immortal Hulk with just generally better everything writing.

Aaron’s Avengers is essentially just the 2012 movie, mindless popcorn action with some bad character takes though like Moon Knight somehow power stealing from Iron Fist and Doctor Strange to then take over the world, and the Phoenix being revealed as Thor’s mother somehow.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:07:20 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125298: Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:21:08 AM

And his ex

The power stealing is easy to handwave given that he was being backed up by a god who had a doom army complete with scores of werewolves ready to go

“ Who in the fuck gropes She-Hulk, and why do they still have arms?”

Santa Claus. Yes, seriously

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:22:14 PM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#125299: Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:23:05 AM

... Did he forget he was writing a Norse dude and not a Greek god?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125300: Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:25:43 AM

Yeah Norse mythology is the perfectly sane one where a dude gets fucked by a horse instead

More to the point, we don’t know where that reveal is going and it’s got room for ambiguity

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