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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#125251: Feb 21st 2021 at 12:53:50 AM

Surfer definitely is.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#125252: Feb 21st 2021 at 2:00:03 AM

I don't even think he's actually that friendly with Doom. It's just Doom has a vanishingly small number of people who are actual kings by their own hand feudal aristocrats who acknowledge him as, yes, the rightful king of Latveria (because he too it).

He's like 80% of a peer to Doom, which is a vanishingly small number that includes, basically, Doctor Strange, Loki, and Kang.

They made him racist so T'Challa sadly doesn't count.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#125253: Feb 21st 2021 at 5:51:33 AM

Wait a minute, that was just a doombot!

Because some writer didn't agree with that, and had a handy excuse ready.

... Is it okay to use lazy writing to cover up bad writing?

Either way. Fucking doombots...

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#125254: Feb 21st 2021 at 5:57:01 AM

That was quite clearly a skrull

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Teemo from Nottingham, UK (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: In another castle
#125255: Feb 21st 2021 at 10:35:16 AM

wild mass guessAn LMD disguised as a Skrull imitating a Doombot!/wild mass guess

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#125256: Feb 21st 2021 at 11:29:20 AM

Without even looking it up, I am 100% sure the racism thing comes form the Hudlin run.

God, what a dumpster fire that one was.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#125258: Feb 21st 2021 at 11:55:31 AM

Just say that he's prematurely graying and have that be the end of it.

I mean, he lives on a planet regularly attacked by supervillians, call it stress-related. [lol]

Edited by Pseudopartition on Feb 21st 2021 at 1:56:08 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125259: Feb 21st 2021 at 11:57:18 AM

Peter should be completely gray by this point then

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#125260: Feb 21st 2021 at 11:59:46 AM

Wonder if the poor job Reed does at taking care of himself would be a good reason for him to grey out relatively young.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#125261: Feb 21st 2021 at 1:02:03 PM

[up][up]Daredevil, meanwhile, is so stressed his hair greyed and got colour back again.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#125262: Feb 21st 2021 at 5:39:03 PM

Namor's just got this weird Blue-and-Orange Morality that lets him consider both someone like Doom and someone like Rogers worthy of respect.

Still, whether he's a hero or a villain in the story, one thing is always consistent - he's an asshole.

Disgusted, but not surprised
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#125263: Feb 21st 2021 at 11:56:44 PM

Namor's "morality" is fundamentally Might Makes Right. If you are powerful enough and have the will to do what you think is the right thing, then it IS the right thing.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125264: Feb 22nd 2021 at 12:00:24 AM

He did ally with Thanos and the Black Order during the Incursions cause they provided a "simpler stronger" method.

Even Doom called out what an ignoramous he was during the whole shebang.

Credit to Reed, he wouldn't free and trust fucking Thanos. Namor did and this lead to entire worlds being painfully genocided as Thanos and crew made him the team clown.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 22nd 2021 at 12:00:58 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#125265: Feb 22nd 2021 at 12:56:56 AM

Namor lost all sympathy from me when he drowned Wakanda.

And yes, it was under the influence of the Phoenix, but in stark contrast to all the other Phoenix 5, he never even once apologized or expressed regret for it. Quite the contrary, he kept rubbing it in to T'Challa with a smug smile on his face. And he later even sicced Thanos' forces on Wakanda again.

Edited by Forenperser on Feb 22nd 2021 at 9:57:41 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#125266: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:05:07 AM

One of the few lines Namor won't cross is having sex with anyone underage. He'll hit on married women and sleep with crab people ("talk like crab, kiss like people"), but he flatly turned down Hope because she's a child.

Edited by M84 on Feb 22nd 2021 at 5:05:16 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125267: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:10:28 AM

Namor is probably the worst of the "Hero" Kings.

T'Challa hates being king and Black Bolt is capable of sympathy, remorse, and guilt (his 2017 solo title showcasing a great deal of vulnerable and tender moments from the normally stoic figure), but Namor overall tends to be just a gigantic outright imperialist remorseless douchebag who treats everyone he meets like shit and harasses any women who unfortunately catches his attention like Sue.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:11:02 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#125268: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:10:29 AM

Remind me again why anybody likes Namor?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#125269: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:16:01 AM

[up] Assholes can be surprisingly popular.

Plus, his reputation wasn't ruined by Superfriends.

Without even looking it up, I am 100% sure the racism thing comes form the Hudlin run.

God, what a dumpster fire that one was.

There's an older comic where Doom makes racially insensitive comments about African people so Hudlin did have precedent to fall back on.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125270: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:21:32 AM

He does add variety to the community.

He's a hero Heel in the sense. His assholishness lends good interactions with other characters as they have to deal with him.

Like out of the entire Illuminati, only Namor would be willing to betry them and align with Thanos. Even Beast isn't that much of a monster and he's already pretty monstrous.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#125271: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:47:16 AM

X-Men Beast? What has he done? He's always one of the nicer heroes in the cartoons.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#125272: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:50:50 AM

Oh, Comics Beast turned into a gigantic douchebag. And a hypocrite to boot.

I can't list his deeds right now, somebody else might, but just for perspective, he received an entire issue of a "The Reason You Suck" Speech from none other than The Watcher himself.

And even his own past self called him out.

Edited by Forenperser on Feb 22nd 2021 at 10:53:15 AM

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125273: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:55:55 AM

What is it with comics turning all characters into douchebags eventually?

It seems to me the MCU has stayed mostly clear of that for now at least (apart from Endgame!Hawkeye, maybe).

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#125274: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:56:41 AM

In that particular instance, Uatu called him out on his spectacularly dangerous and irresponsible decision to bring back younger versions of the original five X-Men (including himself) from the past to guilt-trip Cyclops, only to realize he didn't actually know how to send them back.

Uatu capped it off by saying that Hank disgusts him.

And believe it or not, Hank's only gotten worse since.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125275: Feb 22nd 2021 at 1:59:59 AM

[up][up] Even in the case of Hawkeye its a fairly justified case of him coping badly with the loss of his family.

While people in comics just become despicable for no reason.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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