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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#125226: Feb 20th 2021 at 1:45:05 AM

Sometimes it needs to happen like Sins Past and One More Day but what do I know.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125227: Feb 20th 2021 at 1:50:24 AM

Not as bad but there's also the Symbiote's being retconned into cosmic defenders all on the logic of "The kids don't remember when Venom was a villain."

Ya got your awful shit and ya got your stupid shit and then there's both.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ChicoTheParakeet Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#125228: Feb 20th 2021 at 2:06:34 AM

Just adapt it the way you want. Who cares which version you adapt? Just make it cohesive and competent, people will accept it.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125229: Feb 20th 2021 at 6:21:30 AM

Petty writer squabbles just tend to make me laugh

Anyway, Reed has been a better husband and father in the Slott run of all things

I mean it’s a low bar and the run makes people angry for other reasons but it’s done a little good by Reed

When told by some alien nonsense that he and Sue are soulmates he gets excited

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#125230: Feb 20th 2021 at 8:40:45 AM

The thing with Reed is he's never maliciously bad, he's just really focused on science.

Like his whole reasoning for doing those awful things in Civil War was "mathematically this is the best way to go forward", not really looking at anything else.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125231: Feb 20th 2021 at 9:04:07 AM

“It’s okay I read Foundation”

“Ayn Rand strikes again! Dammit, it was hard enough to deprogram Sp-.”

“No, you’re thinking of the Fountainhead. I’m talking Asimov”

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#125232: Feb 20th 2021 at 9:12:46 AM

You'd think all the times he fought the Mad Thinker would have convinced him predicting people with math was a useless exercise.

Wake me up at your own risk.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#125233: Feb 20th 2021 at 9:28:21 AM

Reed being emotionally distant to his family and needing Sue to pursue him is interesting in the decades since. Especially since it's now possible to read Reed on the spectrum.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125234: Feb 20th 2021 at 12:13:40 PM

It's a slow weekend, and that means MCU casting rumors.

The lastest one, via the Daily Mail, is that Jennifer Lawrence is being floated to play Susan Storm in the Fantastic Four movie.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 20th 2021 at 3:16:13 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125235: Feb 20th 2021 at 12:20:21 PM

My reaction is essentially "I'm sure she'd be decent in the role but it's kind of basic?"

Second reaction: Based on her historical screen partners, we can expect Reed to be 50 years old.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 20th 2021 at 2:22:47 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#125236: Feb 20th 2021 at 12:23:12 PM

Fun fact: Wikipedia has banned using the Daily Mail as a source, citing its unreliability.

I doubt Lawrence is being considered. She’s barely even been in much over the past four years.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125237: Feb 20th 2021 at 12:23:24 PM

It's the Daily Mail. Reading tea leaves are a better source of info than the Daily Mail.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#125238: Feb 20th 2021 at 12:39:30 PM

The Daily Mail is so bad, it makes me more resistant to believe actual news of the same from a more reputable news site.

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#125239: Feb 20th 2021 at 12:56:30 PM

Jennifer Lawrence is in a similar position to Emma Stone, after winning some awards they have no reason to take on any movie where they are not the main character, and after some bad experiences with comic book franchise movies are even less likely to take on one of those again.

Comics are just words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#125240: Feb 20th 2021 at 12:59:05 PM

Daily mail is also a bigoted and vile piece of work

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125241: Feb 20th 2021 at 2:17:56 PM

I wonder for the FF, would they start with Reed and Sue already parents of Franklin and Valeria or at least Franklin or would they have em start out childless at the moment?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#125243: Feb 20th 2021 at 2:47:26 PM

Second reaction: Based on her historical screen partners, we can expect Reed to be 50 years old.

Well, that would give him a good reason for him to have greying sideburns. One of the big problems with adapting F4 is that Reed's greying sideburns are one of his most iconic features, and Johnny being a young hothead is the most iconic part of his personality. Reed has to be older, and Johnny has to be younger, and that puts Sue in a weird position. Some adaptations have skirted around this by making Reed's sideburns be an unnatural mutation, but that's the coward's way out. Personally, I think they should make Sue significantly older than her little brother, and make Reed significantly older than her, something like this:

  • Reed: ~45

  • Sue: ~35

  • Johnny: ~25

  • Ben: ~40

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125244: Feb 20th 2021 at 2:55:43 PM

I wonder for the FF, would they start with Reed and Sue already parents of Franklin and Valeria or at least Franklin or would they have em start out childless at the moment?

I could see them pulling a Spider-Man and skip the twice-brought-to-the-big-screen origin story entirely; having kids would also differentiate this rendition.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125245: Feb 20th 2021 at 3:00:21 PM

[up]Depending on their age, one of the suggestions I've seen was doing an old-timey film reel in the first few minutes to get the origin out of the way, and then catch up with them after said origin. Similar to how the LA Spider-Man movies implied the previously seen origin before rolling with the proper story.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#125246: Feb 20th 2021 at 3:10:04 PM

Reed's supposed to be a bit older than Sue, even if they retconned out that creepy first meeting stuff.

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#125247: Feb 20th 2021 at 3:12:16 PM

Some adaptations have skirted around this by making Reed's sideburns be an unnatural mutation, but that's the coward's way out.

That's an unnecessarily complicated method of justifying it. Just say that he's prematurely graying and have that be the end of it.

In regards to how they should introduce the FF, maybe they should introduce them as the supporting cast of, say, the upcoming Captain Marvel movie, and make the whole rocket-ship-space-radiation origin a part of the climax. For example, say the villain has a big ol' space laser in Earth's orbit, ready to blow up the planet, and Reed and co. accompany Captain Marvel to take it down. The four astronauts make a Heroic Sacrifice to defuse the space laser's radioactive core, and end up irradiated by cosmic rays that give them their superpowers.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125248: Feb 20th 2021 at 9:33:48 PM

Namor is best buddies with Dr. Doom. That should tell you everything.

He's also best buddies with Dr.Strange,Hulk and Silver Surfer.

So it doesn't say much beyond him preferring to hang out with outcasts.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 20th 2021 at 1:42:04 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125249: Feb 20th 2021 at 9:35:47 PM

The Defenders are surprisingly close companions. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#125250: Feb 21st 2021 at 12:48:31 AM

[up][up] Strange and the Surfer are outcasts?


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