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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Wait, there are storylines where Sue actually leaves Reed for Namor (yeah I'm not a comic book expert as you probably have guessed)?
The worst I saw her do was one story where she fantasied about Namor but it was part of some plot by Doom which Reed had actually begun to counter before he started, if I remember correctly.
Edited by C105 on Feb 19th 2021 at 3:12:09 PM
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.The only thing Namor has over Reed is that he’s more attentive although verging into clinginess
A Civil War rescript I read had Sue basically go hang out with Namor out of anger for Reed’s role in Civil War but then leave to go back to Reed once Namor started getting clingy
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x2 The book people are referencing is Spider-Man: Life Story, which is an alternate version of the main Marvel U where, among other things, Sure leaves Reed for Namor sometime in the 70s.
I think there's probably a What If comic where that also happens, but ad far as I know Sue had never had an extended relationship with Namor in the main Marvel version.
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EDIT: Aren't Namor's film rights owned by Universal or some other studio?
Edited by Aleistar on Feb 19th 2021 at 9:24:41 AM
We don't talk about that.
I admit, Namor is in a very weird place right now.
I kinda got the impression he was considered superior to Arthur for years, but Aquaman has been getting a lot of positive press in the name of fighting his Super Friends portrayal, which has culminated in his portrayals in Justice League (a shitty movie, but I liked him there) and finally his own movie, which is considered a good movie (alongside the first Wonder Woman film) not only compared to a lot of what came before in the DC film verse, but a good film period.
To people who know nothing of comics, Namor will be the inferior pretender now, and as others have said, Marvel's gonna have a hell of a time setting him apart from Arthur (especially since some might find the wing feet kind lame).
We might start seeing Namor has stupid wing feet memes all over the place soon, and his history is....a lot more sordid. It's gonna be hard to get people to like him or take him seriously.
One Strip! One Strip!Honest question: when was the last time Namor was in an adaptation? I can only think of the old 60s Marvel Heroes show. He's not in the general consciousness much at all, is my general point. I guess an MCU Namor might have to struggle against that perception, unless he's marketed as "jerk Aquaman" from the get-go.
Honestly I never really expected Namor to be a lead of his own movie.
Its like not everyone is the MC, that's why their are antagonists and supporting characters.
The most I expected is antagonizing Black Panther because king vs king or maybe appearing in FF if they keep his obsession with Sue
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."There was a thread from a Capcom employee last year who worked on the Marvel vs. Capcom games, and he said Namor's inclusion in the Spider-Man game was likely a result of Marvel pushing him on Sega (they were really trying to make Namor a major solo player in the 90s) and Sega being too clueless about American superheroes to realize even in America, nobody really knew who he was outside comic fans.
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Edited by comicwriter on Feb 19th 2021 at 8:14:48 AM
Ah, yes, the 1234 mini-series by Grant Morrison. Essentially Morrison's attempt at a Decon-Recon Switch for the Fantastic Four that ultimately deconstructs Doctor Doom's Noble Demon shtick.
Speaking of Doom and Marvel characters versus DC characters, I think it's interesting to compare Doom with Lex Luthor. Both are men with superficially noble goals ("Rule the world for its own good" in Doom's case, "Protect humanity against the superhuman threat" for Luthor) that are actually a cover for their envy of their respective arch-nemeses ("RIIIICHARDS" for Doom and "the alien" for Luthor). The only difference is that Doom gets the Draco in Leather Pants treatment all the time, while Luthor is far more commonly treated as a total bastard.
Trope Editor (he/him)The obsession with Sue has to be dropped, or reconceptualized in a way that makes him less of an asshole.
Yeah, that one's gonna be tough.
I think Namor was in the first two Ultimate Alliance games.
He also appeared in the first season of the 90s FF cartoon and 2007's world's greatest heroes.
But yeah, you could argue he's not nearly as well known, ironically enough because Aquaman was brought due to his Forced Meme Joke Character status, which means that with people now taking him seriously, he's far more mainstream.
One Strip! One Strip!I mean I have no problem with him being an asshole, it makes Namor a distinctive enough character.
You need your Heel characters after all.
So if Namor is a stalker to Sue in the movie then hopefully it ends with her forming a bubble around his head & choke him a bit to make sure she never bothers her again.
Edited by slimcoder on Feb 19th 2021 at 8:28:18 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Even if it turned him into a meme it was ultimately good for Aquaman to be in Superfriends because it gave him market awareness
Aquaman is either in or tied to the Justice League. He’s a big prominent guy in DC and in various adaptations
Namor was an Avenger but he’s never been an iconic Avenger. He’s been a Defender but the Defenders haven’t been relevant in a while. He’s all over the place in Marvel but he’s not prominent. He’s a little tied to the FF and to Doom and to the Avengers and to Wakanda and to the Defenders and to the X Men. But he’s not anyone’s archnemesis or on a popular team. He’s angry ocean man
Forever liveblogging the Avengers....wow.
He's Quicksilver.
Everywhere, and nowhere.
And also an arrogant asshole.
One Strip! One Strip!Longtime Fantastic Four fan but the premise was always meant to be, "Reed is a crappy husband and rather than standing by her man, Sue Storm decides to take up with a man who is more passionate and appreciative." Essentially to disrupt her role as the traditional housewife of superheroines (which never was meant to be her thing unlike, say, Mrs. Incredible).
https://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-sue-richards-namor-still-have-an-inappropriate-relationship/
Sue flat out separated from Reed and lived with Namor at one point.
No mind control, just, "I am with this guy voluntarily who is not my husband."
It's never been her rejecting Namor because, well, Sue likes Namor a lot. Namor by contrast is an asshole but he can be a charming one. Because while he's friends (I'd say friendly than friends) with Doctor Doom, he's ALSO best friends with Captain America.
And yes, it's basically a pretty straightforward, "Reed would rather be with test tubes than his wife. Namor would rather be with his girlfriend punching Cthulhu."
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 19th 2021 at 9:08:15 AM
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Namor is best buddies with Dr. Doom. That should tell you everything.
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