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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#125126: Feb 16th 2021 at 7:49:59 PM

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Another difference is that Wright's questionable activities seem to have been largely limited to that Twitter exchange. I know Wright has spoken about her strong Christian faith before in interviews, and though I can see being openly religious on set can lead to problems, it's not necessarily the same as the persistent and willful line-crossing that Carano flaunted and which very likely led to Hostility on the Set considering Carano's pattern of behavior is the kind that rarely confines itself to just social media.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 16th 2021 at 10:50:22 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#125127: Feb 16th 2021 at 8:41:34 PM

[up][up] I think whether or not Stane was Hydra was discussed here on this or another forum and the conclusion was that he couldn't have been though I forget the reason why.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125128: Feb 16th 2021 at 8:54:48 PM

I think one of the points brought up (maybe by me) is that Stane brags about a whole lot of things when fighting Stark, but he does not bring up the assassination of Howard at any point, which seems like something he'd bring up if he were a proud HYDRA member. Either he didn't know Howard was assassinated (so he's not HYDRA) or he was so ashamed of it he didn't bring it up. Think the former is more like it.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125129: Feb 16th 2021 at 9:00:56 PM

I like Obi as someone who might have been aware HYDRA existed, but was an opportunist who sold to everybody and thus wouldn't have affiliated directly with them even if he did know.

This is after all the same guy who was Playing Both Sides of the War on Terror.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 16th 2021 at 9:01:17 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#125130: Feb 16th 2021 at 9:42:02 PM

I don't think Stane was a member of HYDRA, but likely worked with HYDRA the way a deeply amoral businessman with advanced knowledge would, the same way that Cross was seen discussing with Ten Rings and HYDRA agents in Ant-Man.

Attempting to resolve the implicatons of the newspaper in the first movie with the reveal of Civil War, my interpretation is that Stane wasn't involved in the assassination of Howard Stark in any way but was at least aware enough of what happened that he did whatever he could to make sure he would be the first to benefit from it.

Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 16th 2021 at 12:45:30 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#125131: Feb 16th 2021 at 9:49:05 PM

I remember bring up the idea of Stane being Hyrda years ago, after a rewatch of Iron Man post Winter Soldier reveal.

And yeah, most didn't buy it. I do admit, Obi not saying anything about Hyrda does seem to work against it (seems like an odd thing to hold back on).

Still, that speech, combined with what we later come to know, makes it hard to believe otherwise, even if the Hydra twist probably wasn't even a twinkle in anyone's eyes back in that far flung era of 2008

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#125132: Feb 16th 2021 at 10:24:51 PM

I feel is the kind of guy do wasnt in HYDRA payroll but was probably upon consideration of joing HYDRA at some moment in the end.

Specially since pierce motivation is "peace though fear" and so far Stane dosent have any utility for the moment.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#125133: Feb 16th 2021 at 11:46:02 PM

Probably not a fully signed up member of Hydra but very much willing to do business with them I expect.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#125134: Feb 16th 2021 at 11:49:53 PM

[up]I could imagine HYDRA contact with them have stane actually killed stark and take over is company, probably with the promise of selling them the iron man armour or something similar.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#125135: Feb 17th 2021 at 1:30:33 AM

It is a bit hard to guess about the ties of Stane with Hydra since the "Hydra has infiltrated Shield" plot did not exist then.

About Shuri as Black Panther, we have already seen her more than holding her ground in combat situations, so it's not as if she was a completely non-action scientist from the start (like, uh, let's say Bruce Banner until Infinity War, or Helen Cho). In fact, it seems to me that she has already more combat experience than Tony had when he first started fiddling with his armours.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125136: Feb 17th 2021 at 1:35:51 AM

It is reasonable to assume she was given some self-defense training especially since she’s a princess.

The Black Panther’s tend to be among the greatest martial artists, so of course they must have good trainers on hand.

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#125137: Feb 17th 2021 at 7:48:54 AM

Has anyone suggested Okoye? She became Wakanda’s representative on the Avengers during the Blip

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#125138: Feb 17th 2021 at 8:16:07 AM

W’Kabi is a good pick because he’s a minor antagonist who has room to grow past his mistakes and Daniel Kaluuya is too good of an actor to just relegate to only one movie.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#125139: Feb 17th 2021 at 1:31:52 PM

My pet theory, if they don't have Shuri take up the mantle, is that they'll retcon in Kasper Cole as Killmonger's younger brother.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125140: Feb 17th 2021 at 2:53:20 PM

[up] If we get a White Tiger, it's almost certainly going to be one of the Ayalas.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#125141: Feb 18th 2021 at 7:22:41 AM

Accomplished film composer Danny Elfman has confirmed with Inverse that he will be composing the music for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness!

Fun fact: this marks the third fifth time Sam Raimi and Danny Elfman have worked on a movie. Their last collaboration was on Oz: The Great and Powerful, but their best-known work has to be for Sam Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies (but not the third one, weirdly enough).

EDIT: [down] Thanks for that. Totally forgot Darkman was a thing.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 18th 2021 at 12:21:08 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125142: Feb 18th 2021 at 8:13:57 AM

They had a falling out during Spider-Man 2 when Sam Raimi wanted a piece of the soundtrack to be much like the theme from Hellraiser 2, and this caused friction between them. They buried the hatchet later on though, so it's great that they're back in the superhero saddle.

This will be their third superhero collaboration. Aside from Spider-Man 1-2 they also had the forgotten gem Darkman.

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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#125145: Feb 18th 2021 at 10:22:23 AM

Well let's see what they make using it.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#125146: Feb 18th 2021 at 10:36:25 AM

'Please no general discussion about the Problems with Frank as a character again'

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#125147: Feb 18th 2021 at 10:54:30 AM

I still want someone to edit Infinity War with a scene of Jessica looking out her window, seeing the big ass spaceship, downing some bourbon, and closing the blinds. Just her going "Fuck this, I'm out."

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#125148: Feb 18th 2021 at 6:23:33 PM

This really is such a great scene.

Look how far we've come in. A man in nanotech powered armored teaming up with a wizard and a biologically enhanced human with spider powers against a super-strong alien with a chain-axe and an alien with ultra telekinesis.

We've finally reached that point of full balls to the wall superhero action straight out of the comic books with little toned down for realism.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#125149: Feb 18th 2021 at 6:26:54 PM

And it feels like a natural point instead of out of nowhere.

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#125150: Feb 18th 2021 at 9:57:39 PM

"Ugh, I'm confused, I haven't seen half of these movies." - Thanos

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 18th 2021 at 9:57:52 AM


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