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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#125076: Feb 12th 2021 at 5:54:15 PM

The question will be if they do release it in theaters will it do anywhere close to the numbers they were originally hoping for. Pre-pandemic you were looking at 300 million domestic, 600 million global to be considered a success. Even if the pandemic is mostly behind us, if they release it in theaters only and it only makes 300 million global all that waiting served little to no purpose. A movie of that scale has a lot of money tied up that they can't pay off without a proper release.

That was the driving factor for Warner Brothers to make the theatrical and HBO Max split, you are likely taking a loss no matter how you slice it so they are looking at maximizing the alternative value of the movie in some way.

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#125077: Feb 12th 2021 at 7:03:57 PM

I understand Feige wanted to make theaters happy with a release, but Disney is still a business and if BW doesn't deliver as much with a theater only release that would be a bad business move. It is a game of chicken.

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#125078: Feb 12th 2021 at 7:05:11 PM

Well I doubt they’re going to bring back the reality stone so Star would be getting nerfed if it was her

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HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#125079: Feb 13th 2021 at 10:54:36 AM

Why shouldn’t Kilmonger return to the franchise? He deserves a redemption arc far more than Loki did.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#125080: Feb 13th 2021 at 11:34:34 AM

I mean, I can only speak for myself, but from my perspective: with the understanding that Marvel decided not to recast T'Challa out of respect for the actor's real-life tragic passing, I feel like the position of "bring back the main villain of the previous movie who emphatically CHOSE death as an alternative to imprisonment, pointedly closing the door on redemption or rehabilitation, so he can be the new main character" is almost disgustingly tone-deaf.

Granted, I have expressed and continue to feel that retiring T'Challa rather than recasting does a greater disservice to the franchise, but I respect Marvel's position and feel there's a pretty big meta disconnect there between Marvel's choice and the movement to bring Killmonger back.

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#125081: Feb 13th 2021 at 12:23:38 PM

Live action recasts don't really happen much nowadays compared to the early days of the mcu and I think anyone given the role of T'Challa would have had a Tough Act to Follow matching the one and only Boseman.

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#125082: Feb 13th 2021 at 12:56:58 PM

Until recently, I would have said to make Shuri the new face of the franchise, but given some of the shit her actress has said, I'm not sure what they should do. Maybe recast Shuri?

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#125083: Feb 13th 2021 at 1:26:13 PM

Characters don't "deserve" redemption arcs, they're just narrative things that happen if the author decides a character would be interesting to take in that direction.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#125084: Feb 13th 2021 at 1:47:44 PM

[up] Yeah, in a way if a character can be said to deserve redemption before they started a redemption arc, it's because the writer failed to properly sell them as a villain.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#125085: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:09:58 PM

Also... Killmonger's dead. So, that's a hurdle to bringing him back.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#125086: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:11:00 PM

Funnily he was Black Panther for a bit but ya know he fucking sucked balls at it.

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#125087: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:12:17 PM

Killmonger is back baby!

as a robot..clone who is actually a doombot programed to believe its a skrull in deep cover

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#125088: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:12:48 PM

Admittedly, with the big exception of the Blip, I don't know if the MCU has done a full-on resurrection story a la the comics (Wanda Vision pending). Fake out deaths, sure, but not full-on revivals.

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#125089: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:14:11 PM

Does Wong briefly dying and getting resurrected by Strange's Rewind Time count?

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#125091: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:21:13 PM

So far in the MCU (and not including the Blip) anyone who was confirmed as dead by the end of a movie has remained dead.

even Vision is in fact technically still dead though we are only partially through that story so it may change.

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#125092: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:34:53 PM

I guess there's Coulson, but we all know how AOS is dubiously canon at this point.

The MCU does have a lot of Disney Deaths in their films, but they've been mostly decent at keeping dead characters... well, dead.

EDIT: Oh, Bucky also counts as a "dead" character they brought back to life! Although to be fair, there were hints that he'd survive and everybody pretty much knew he was gonna come back as the Winter Soldier.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 13th 2021 at 5:38:19 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#125093: Feb 13th 2021 at 2:36:38 PM

YOU SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH!!

In seriousness, yeah, no. Can't think of any honest-to-god resurrections in the definitive canon.

Taking in the shows, I think Kree blood is the only plot device that can bring people back to life. Though, it was mentioned that Carol had a blood transfusion with Yon-Rogg in Captain Marvel upon being blown up by the Tesseract, so that element could be carried over.

I mean, they probably have to have kept the corpse in good condition for it to work, so...

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 13th 2021 at 2:41:46 AM

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Disasturbator
#125095: Feb 13th 2021 at 3:02:39 PM

time travelling cloning machine

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125097: Feb 13th 2021 at 4:17:21 PM

Also, due to the way they've designed the MCU's time travel rules, resurrecting characters with time travel is a bit different than normal.

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#125098: Feb 13th 2021 at 4:39:32 PM

wild mass guessShuri uses a time machine to get more heart-shaped herbs but accidentally yoinks Killmonger into the present.wild mass guess

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#125099: Feb 13th 2021 at 4:54:40 PM

That is the thing, have killmonger lived in black panther and after chadwick death....I wonder if they would have make killmonger take is place....

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#125100: Feb 15th 2021 at 12:10:05 PM

The original Loki can be revived by cloning, and this clone would be Kid Loki.


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