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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#125051: Feb 11th 2021 at 10:52:45 AM

Skeletor also doesn’t wear a shirt. Is he a Ghost Rider

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125052: Feb 11th 2021 at 10:57:57 AM

No but he might be a mortal kombat

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125053: Feb 11th 2021 at 10:58:44 AM

@Elliot Page fancasting, ever since Josh Keaton voiced Black Spider in Young Justice as basically "evil Spider-Man," I've liked the idea of actors who previously voiced heroes coming back as villains. So if Page, Jackman, Paquin, Halle Berry, etc ever show up in the MCU, it'd be cool to see them playing supervillains.

I could definitely see Page as an awesome Black Tom Cassidy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 11th 2021 at 11:00:21 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125054: Feb 11th 2021 at 11:22:04 AM

Paquin as Emma Frost, Jackman as Kraven the Hunter and Halle Berry as...I'm having a hard time remembering a female black supervillain from Marvel other than Black Mariah (which doesn't fit Berry's usual bodytype at all) and Nightshade (which does, actually).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#125055: Feb 11th 2021 at 11:27:43 AM

She could play Joanna Cargill aka Frenzy. Or Calypso, Kraven's voodoo priestess lover.

Edited by windleopard on Feb 11th 2021 at 11:28:31 AM

jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125057: Feb 11th 2021 at 11:38:00 AM

I immediately thought the Janice Lincoln Beetle, but Halle's somewhat too old for that part imo.

She could also play a gender-lifted villain (I could see her make a cool female Moses Magnum) or a race-lifted one if they can't think of anything else.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#125060: Feb 12th 2021 at 9:23:42 AM

Best guess, she's Moonstone. Was really expecting them to follow up on the Supreme Intelligence, though I suppose it would work better as a mini-Overarching Villain, and she could be working on behalf of it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#125061: Feb 12th 2021 at 9:34:28 AM

It's funny to think that Moonstone and Carol fighting each other is apparently something that happened only recently (post House of M) despite both of them having powers from the Kree for years.

It's also important to remember they don't have the exactly same powers. Karla Sofen (Moonstone) does not apparently have super strength, but gravity manipulation powers.

The flight and Energy blasts is something they share however.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125062: Feb 12th 2021 at 9:47:09 AM

I figured the sequel would continue the trend of villains trying to use Carol's power.

My best theory for Moonstone was something along the line of: Minn-Erva survives -> Minn-Erva seeks out human scientist Karla Sofen to help her replicate Carol's power -> Minn-Erva intends to betray and kill said scientist once she has what she wants -> Karla Sofen turns out to be cleverer than she seems and pulls an Eviler than Thou, taking the power for herself -> Sofen becomes Moonstone, and Carol is forced to stop her.

That lets Dr. Minerva and the Kree to seem like the Big Bads for the first leg of the movie, only for Moonstone to take over partway through.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#125063: Feb 12th 2021 at 9:59:19 AM

If they go that route they can use part of the recent origin for new villain Star who got her powers working with Dr Minerva

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#125064: Feb 12th 2021 at 10:03:53 AM

The only problem with that is Gemma Chan is playing Sersi in the Eternals. I don't see it as likely that she'll come back and play a dual role, though I suppose they could just recast. Hell, this might be a recast, though personally I'd be more interested in Moonstone.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#125065: Feb 12th 2021 at 3:44:22 PM

You know, given how close to the movie's release the pandemic shutdowns were, I'm starting to wonder if Disney's insistence on releasing Black Widow in theatres despite that clearly not giving them allowance to do anything with it for ages is because it's already been "promised," so to speak.

Like, if they had already had it in contract with theatre companies to the tune of "our movie will release here and here at these times and run for this long," it could be the case that they can't release it on Disney+ without litigation.

I don't know exactly how those contracts work, but it would definitely make sense given that they would have been preparing for release at that point.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#125066: Feb 12th 2021 at 3:54:38 PM

There's a mix of many factors, I think. Contracts, keeping face with studio chains and just corporate pride are all factors. Disney, I think, basically stood by and watched to see how Warner would do this thing. End result: Warner Brothers got into some scalding hot water for their decisions to release a bunch of things online without properly discussing this with film theater chains and artists involved.

So Disney just decided "ah fuck it."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#125067: Feb 12th 2021 at 3:56:56 PM

I'm not sure about that because the Mulan remake was only a week away from wide release when the lockdowns started. My assumption is that Disney's sitting on Black Widow because they saw that a big blockbuster on streaming doesn't make nearly close to a typical theater gross. So they're biding their time.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 12th 2021 at 3:57:36 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#125068: Feb 12th 2021 at 4:46:08 PM

And it's quite unlikely there'll be any big reveal that shakes the foundations of the MCU on that movie, it being a prequel and all.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#125069: Feb 12th 2021 at 5:09:16 PM

But it has pushed back other films and by holding it they will have more money to lose on it.

Edited by Mizerous on Feb 12th 2021 at 8:09:27 AM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125071: Feb 12th 2021 at 5:28:45 PM

[putting "Black Widow movie leaks, forcing them to release on Disney+" on my 2021 bingo card]

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 12th 2021 at 7:29:13 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#125072: Feb 12th 2021 at 5:37:04 PM

It's not like theirs a lack of mcu stuff this year to hold the tide. We have after Wandavison , falcon and winter soldier and then Loki.

All of which would buy us another year.

I can see why they don't want to lose our on those big box office bucks for widow

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#125073: Feb 12th 2021 at 5:38:10 PM

Aren't Shang-Chi and Eternals still nominally supposed to come out this year?

[down] Correct me if I'm wrong, but all of the D+ were intended to be after Black Widow. Between that and the fact that it looks like a prequel, I'm not entirely convinced.

Edited by Aleistar on Feb 12th 2021 at 8:42:16 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#125074: Feb 12th 2021 at 5:39:03 PM

The order is linked. As Widow gets pushed back so does everything else Thats supposed to follow it'

[up]For Films I meant. It seems like their moving each along as they don't want them to compete with each other.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 12th 2021 at 5:49:09 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125075: Feb 12th 2021 at 5:49:48 PM

That lets Dr. Minerva and the Kree to seem like the Big Bads for the first leg of the movie, only for Moonstone to take over partway through.

That would be pretty out of character since Karla always fails at betraying the Big Bad and taking over. She's as effective as Starscream.

I'm not sold on Moonstone being the big bad since Monica and Kamala are in the film and i don't think you'd need all three to take her down.

And Minn-erva probably isn't coming back since her actress is one of the Eternals now.

If they go that route they can use part of the recent origin for new villain Star who got her powers working with Dr Minerva

But at that point the should just use Star.

Edited by Cortez on Feb 12th 2021 at 9:58:49 AM


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