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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#124776: Feb 4th 2021 at 4:41:34 PM

Well, Ezekiel appeared as a villain in the Iron Man 3 mobile game.

Yeah, it's not canon, but still...

He was also supposed to appear in the first Avengers movie as a secondary villain before Whedon cut him out.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Feb 4th 2021 at 7:42:04 AM

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#124777: Feb 4th 2021 at 4:43:51 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I just realized that in the comics Hammer is the old guy, while in the movies it's Stane.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124778: Feb 4th 2021 at 7:20:22 PM

From what I remember, that most of the nominees were just aboard for scientific or security purposes was Nick Fury's cover story to the World Security Council, since they considered the Avengers program scrapped, but it was pretty clear Fury's real intent was assembling the Avengers in case the situation went south.

Oh, then it actually makes sense. Sure Rhodey can use the armour, but Tony can use the armour (that he built) and is a genius scientist. Same reason for Bruce. Fury has been watching him this whole time, and may even be aware that "Bruce is always angry" (he definitely knew the latter was in control, or they'd have never brought him there. And if they need something more beyond the Science Bruce and Tony provide...whelp! The walking armoury and the puny god smasher take the stage. Which is exactly what happened.

Also, while I don't really have an idea for a design, other than incorporating the kind of nanotech that Tony uses, but I'm kind of iffy on the whole idea that War Machine armors are/should be clunkier and generally Boring, but Practical (I might say "crappy") compared to Tony's.

I kinda of agree with this. Like, there are some vast benefits to letting the War Machine armour slim down. It could hold even more weapons for one, which would make it an even more effective War Machine. Like, the Iron Man armour in it Mark III state (the one that he used to style all over the entirety of the Ten Ring's ass in Gulmira) was effective because with a small power source like the Arc Reactor, it could fit a shit load of weapons and still have energy to spare, and as the MCU went on, Tony continued to perfect and refine his designs, while being able to incorporate better and better weapons as well.

Take the Walking Armoury status of War Machine, skinny that up a bit like Iron Man, and then add in the usual heavy arsenal. Rhodey's twice as effective.

Of course, there may be other issues that I'm not considering: like, the extra weapons on a slimmer design might throw off balance or aim or something else. Plus, maybe Rhodey just prefers bulkier for one reason or another so Tony accommodates him while making the suit as effective as that design can be.

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#124779: Feb 4th 2021 at 7:35:32 PM

I mean, logically, even if the War Machine armor is made of nanobots, two or three times the number of nanobots would result in a stronger armor. I figure the extra bulk comes with a proportionate increase to offense and defense, even if it's a tad slower and less energy-efficient.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 4th 2021 at 8:36:09 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124780: Feb 4th 2021 at 7:36:46 PM

Rhodey clearly prefers pure overwhelming firepower compared to Tony's more even handed approach.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 4th 2021 at 7:37:21 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124781: Feb 5th 2021 at 8:52:18 AM

Rhodey's the specialist. Tony's the Swiss-Army Weapon.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#124782: Feb 5th 2021 at 10:22:16 AM

Plus the War Machine armour was designed for military deployment not super heroics. So the armaments chosen have to be better suited to a variety of roles (e.g. suppressive fire, air to ground attacks) that the Iron Man version probably isn't as good at.

You want a suit to go toe to toe with Thanos, Iron Man armour is your choice. But if you are specifically looking to plow through a horde of mooks then War Machine is your answer .

(And yes Stark could go through mooks with ease but then he is 1. The Hero and 2. Very experienced and capable in the suit.)

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124783: Feb 5th 2021 at 10:34:04 AM

Yeah. Tony's knowledge of how to use his suits comes from not only building every single one himself, but also personally testing them as well. Rhodey's got long time combat experience and training that likely helps him but gives him a very different style from how Tony fights.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#124784: Feb 5th 2021 at 11:00:01 AM

Honestly, I feel the answer to why each armour is and should be different is quite simpler: if both behaved and were used the same way, they would be interchangeable, making War Machine superfluous as a character.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#124785: Feb 5th 2021 at 11:38:39 AM

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh I dunno

The character nougat inside the armor is worth a lot

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#124786: Feb 5th 2021 at 11:40:36 AM

True but having a different shell makes you stand out a lot.

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#124787: Feb 5th 2021 at 11:40:44 AM

I do like the bulkier look of War Machine’s armor, and in my opinion Tony’s suits started to lose their memorability around the point they began to slim down and the upgrades were subtle and no longer apparent.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#124788: Feb 5th 2021 at 11:42:38 AM

[up][up][up]Yes, but of you're just gonna use that then there's no point putting him in the armour, is me point.

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Goku Black
#124789: Feb 5th 2021 at 11:46:04 AM

That and it's cooler to have your own.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#124790: Feb 5th 2021 at 2:26:00 PM

Marvel Studios' Blade has a writer now!

Say hello to Stacy Osei-Kuffour! She was the story editor for HBO's Watchmen series, aka the Watchmen TV sequel that turned out better than anyone expected!

Even more awesome, Stacy holds the distinction of officially being the first Black woman to write a Marvel movie!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 5th 2021 at 4:16:54 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#124791: Feb 5th 2021 at 7:54:53 PM

Blade, the Vampire Slayer? Is that an official title? The comma feels weird.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 5th 2021 at 7:55:03 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#124792: Feb 5th 2021 at 7:59:06 PM

Written like that, I think, The Vampire Slayer, Blade would have sounded better, but I am not in marketing.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#124793: Feb 5th 2021 at 8:08:25 PM

With a title like that, is Whedon going to be brought bac-

*is promptly slapped*

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#124794: Feb 5th 2021 at 8:10:25 PM

It's also extremely similar to Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#124795: Feb 5th 2021 at 8:27:57 PM

So the comma is shorthand for original title, do not steal

I mean BTVS B,TVS its the only way to distinguish them abbreviated.

And also nobody is going to comma the abbreviation anyway

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 5th 2021 at 11:28:28 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#124796: Feb 5th 2021 at 9:34:02 PM

I don't think anyone calls it BTVS anyway. They'll just call it Blade, just like people already just go with Buffy.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#124797: Feb 6th 2021 at 4:45:42 AM

[up]Yeah, it just seems like a technical distinction to separate it from the older films.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#124798: Feb 6th 2021 at 4:53:03 PM

I don't think the title will actually end up having Vampire Slayer in it. Maybe Vampire Hunter.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124799: Feb 6th 2021 at 4:58:02 PM

I was gonna suggest Vampire Hunter Blade but....

Maybe, Blade: Vampire Killer/Hunter.

We can't use Slayer....I think. It has been a few years.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#124800: Feb 6th 2021 at 5:05:21 PM

The first one makes it sound like they'll have to hunt for a magic anti-vampire sword.

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