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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#124551: Jan 24th 2021 at 12:02:09 PM

Also Nightcrawler, Colossus (assuming he won't stay over with Deadpool), Sunspot, the one who shoots fireworks, Cannonball, there's a lot of mutants they could use, why stick to the ones everyone already knows?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124552: Jan 24th 2021 at 12:04:06 PM

I agree with no Wolverine, maybe no Mags.

I would like to see a Xmen incarnation do what no other series, even the different animated series have done, and start at the beginning with the original five.

And that's why I want to see them do Jean. Girl deserves to have her story told properly. Maybe just leave out the Phoenix. That's what's been a Plot Tumor even in the comics.

But yeah, Cyclops, Jean, Bobby, Hank and Warren. OG X-men right from the get go.

It actually would be different. Though there's the problem that you'd need Charles in some way, unless you have someone else take his place somehow.

....maybe Moira.

Edit: I get it. People are sick of those guys. I still want it, but hearing people bring up all the characters who have yet to be given time to shine, I do kinda get why you'd want to cut even Jean out.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 24th 2021 at 8:05:04 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#124553: Jan 24th 2021 at 12:19:43 PM

This is why people were excited about Storm. Because she did nothing in the Fox movies.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124554: Jan 24th 2021 at 12:21:44 PM

Which is crazy cause....like, we were just talking in this thread about how 90's Animated Series Storm knew how to talk big.

They really did waste one of the most powerful and iconic members of the team.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#124555: Jan 24th 2021 at 12:40:07 PM

Give Cyclops the respect he deserves already.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124556: Jan 24th 2021 at 12:49:52 PM

That, I very much agree with.

My older brother is a huge Cyclops fan, and always has been, and I think he'd love to see old Slim getting his due.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#124557: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:05:05 PM

I'm not sure general audiences are sick of Wolverine, certainly not more than they might have been of, say, Spider-Man by the time Tom Holland came around while two other Spider-Men were still warm on the public awareness. That's a complain I hear often from comics fans, but not from outsiders to the community, who may not be as burned off the character.

I mean. By the time they finally get to make another X-Men movie there'll have passed at least half a decade since Logan, and the mutants haven't had an animated series for over a full decade now. They were even barely present in the recent MC animated shows, and completely absent from recent live action not counting New Mutants (which nobody watched).

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#124558: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:07:50 PM

I mean, even as somebody who thinks Jackman was a miscast, was sick of his over-exposure in the movies and isn't the biggest Wolverine fan in general, I have to say Logan is by far the best X-related movie and a masterpiece, period.

It's the same kind of genre-busting movie that The Dark Knight was.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#124559: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:16:37 PM

After the kind of farewell Jackman got, I kind of feel sorry for any future Wolverines. Having to be compared to that is going to be one hell of a hurdle.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#124560: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:21:44 PM

I'd personally just go old-school and only bring back the original X-Men first: Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Charles.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124561: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:25:47 PM

Me too.

I've said this already, and if general audiences aren't as adverse to it as the tropers above have said, and they write a good enough story, then maybe it could work.

Logan is gonna be difficult however.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#124562: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:48:32 PM

Personally, even as someone not super familiar with the X-Men, they have so many characters with which to build movies out of that you could conceivably focus on characters that were minor in the Fox ones or did not appear at all and it would still work. That being said, I do expect Wolverine at least to show up as a supporting character and probably references to, if not cameos from, Charles and Erik.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124563: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:50:04 PM

I just want characters who are not Prof X, Magneto, Wolverine, and Mystique to get some focus.

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#124564: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:51:27 PM

For the first movie lineup, I'd say original 5, mayyyyyyyybe with Storm and Nightcrawler? And if you can't fit seven X-Men and Professor X, replace Beast with Storm and Nightcrawler?

I don't know, maybe it's because I'm not a huge X-Men fan, but I don't necessarily see the Cyclops/Iceman/Jean Grey/Angel/Beast lineup as any more crucial than the Iron Man/Ant-Man/Hulk/Thor/Wasp Avengers starting lineup. And if any of the O5 got a little too much focus in the Fox movies, it was definitely Beast.

Unoriginalusername3 from Nimmermeer Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#124565: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:56:44 PM

If they do the original x-men line up, do you think they will race-lift one of the characters and if so which one? Marvel has gottn more diverse in recent years, so they may not want an all white team (which also only has one girl).

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#124566: Jan 24th 2021 at 1:58:17 PM

I'd be down with Jean Grey if they just didn't do the Dark Phoenix saga again. Magneto, Professor X and Mystique they should hold off on for a while at the very least. Wolverine on the other hand I really never want to see again. I mean we are at some point but fucking hell the Fox movies didn't really like let alone know what to do with most characters that weren't him.

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DavidMerrick from Ottawa, ON Since: Jun, 2018
#124567: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:01:40 PM

I'm here for "bring back Jean Grey but let her be fucking happy for once."

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124568: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:08:06 PM

And give her some actual fucking character this time.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#124569: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:21:39 PM

The Angel is a difficult sell for a live action universe. His power is... he flies. There's only so much you can do with that, which is why he's always remained a secondary and... that's okay, not every character should be a headliner. All the same my gut instinct would be removing him from the starting lineup and replace him with Storm, who also flies, is an extra female, and adds diversity.

If the 'X-Men' name is really that troublesome now replace it with X-Factor, which always sounded cooler IMHO and can apply to the original X-Men, without the need for the paramilitary angle usually associated with X-Force.

Make Wolverine start in a Weapon X movie instead; rather than a solo adventure or him shoving the other X-Men off the stage in their own film, make the whole story about him and, I don't know, Maverick, Deathstrike, Sabretooth and Omega Red until they all turn on each other for the finale.

Also, at some point, they'd better use Sauron sooner than later because there's no bigger omission from the X-Men movie canon so far than the pterodactyl hypnotic man in a loincloth fighting a Tarzan Expy for control of a dinosaur filled land in the Antarctic, and who named himself because he literally was that much of a Tolkien nerd.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Jan 24th 2021 at 2:22:36 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#124570: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:32:10 PM

Something that I wonder is, if Mystique, Beast and Nightcrawler appear. Will they spend most of their time in their blue forms, or human ones?

I remember in the animated series, Nightcrawler had a holographic device that made him look normal.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 24th 2021 at 2:35:04 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#124571: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:36:14 PM

Still, we already had several people like Gamora, the Kree and the like. It'll depend on them finding the CGI budget or them being able to find actors that aren't allergic to the stuff.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#124572: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:39:43 PM

Have him as archangel. His powers are cooler. Feather Flechettes

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#124573: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:44:27 PM

I always think of how they tried to make Angel work in the first X-Men cover.

They gave him a bazooka.

The answer is clearly More Dakka.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#124574: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:44:31 PM

[up]*3. Something I would like is that one day Loki will accept himself as he is, and last almost the entire time in his blue form.

But I know that this will never happen due to different factors.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Jan 24th 2021 at 2:44:41 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#124575: Jan 24th 2021 at 2:45:30 PM

Loki has never liked that even in the comics though.

Hes very much an asgardian despite where he was born.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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