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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#124451: Jan 19th 2021 at 8:09:15 PM

I think that was the New Mutants/Asgard story

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#124452: Jan 19th 2021 at 9:10:06 PM

The only thing I've seen of Thor/Storm is a scene where they're flying around each other and Thor is thinking about the differences between their lightning, how his lightning is violent and wild while her lightning is fluid and perfectly controlled.

Some cute as hell poetic shit right there, if that's what their relationship as a whole is like, I support it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124453: Jan 19th 2021 at 9:22:32 PM

Interestingly the 2018 Exiles run was originally planning on having the daughter of Storm and Thor as a member before she got switched out for MCU Val.

Pretty cool concept, named Thunderstorm and she comes from a future where Storm somehow ruled Asgard for a time with Thor as her concubine.

[up] Where is that from?

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 19th 2021 at 9:22:55 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#124454: Jan 19th 2021 at 9:30:54 PM

I misremembered the scene a little, but here it is. Apparently, it's in Marvel Adventures, which was non-canon and made for all-ages (all-ages romanticism).

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#124455: Jan 19th 2021 at 9:37:30 PM

But have you considered Jane/Nebula?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124456: Jan 19th 2021 at 9:39:59 PM

[up][up] Anyway to find an image where the dialogue is readable?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#124457: Jan 19th 2021 at 9:47:52 PM

Unfortunately, I found like three different scans of the page and this one had the best quality. You can make out what they're saying if you zoom in, but here's a transcript anyway:

  • Narrator: "Nearby..."

  • Storm: "And I can do this."

  • Thor: "It's warm. My lightning is so cold."

  • Thor: "And so destructive. But you construct lightning as if it were elegant jewelry."

  • Thor: "Your grace is as amazing as your beauty."

  • Storm: "Thanks, but your lightning has such strength. Really. I'm impressed."

  • Storm: "Do you ever watch thunderstorms?"

  • Storm: "And not just the ones you make, but just, just sit back and see what nature can do?"

  • Thor: "Often, I find it humbling."

  • Storm: "It can't be often that a god feels humbled."

  • Thor: "Nay, you're wrong. It happens all the time."

  • Thor: "It's happening right now."

Fuckin' romantic as shit. I love the idea that Thor and Storm's lightning are so different from each other, and that natural thunderstorms still impress them.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 19th 2021 at 10:50:26 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#124458: Jan 20th 2021 at 5:19:51 AM

Meanwhile somewhere Loki is rolling his eyes and laughing

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 20th 2021 at 1:59:17 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#124459: Jan 20th 2021 at 8:20:12 AM

Here's a link to a bigger version.

That whole story in Marvel Avengers is cute and hilarious. It's basically them trying to hide the relationship from Odin when he comes to visit, like a wacky sitcom plot.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124460: Jan 20th 2021 at 8:30:01 AM

And it ends with Spiderman tricking Odin into thinking Wolverine is some kind of troll (which to be fair, Logan does a good impression of! Zing!), leading to Odin pummelling him into the ground, and Logan swearing revenge on Spidey.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#124461: Jan 20th 2021 at 8:31:03 AM

Dang it Peter

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#124462: Jan 20th 2021 at 8:32:49 AM

I just want, if Storm is in the movie, for her to have at least one over the top monologue when using her powers.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#124463: Jan 20th 2021 at 9:03:30 AM

Like in the cartoons,hell yeah

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#124464: Jan 20th 2021 at 10:23:04 AM

Spider-Man doing a parody of that in the crossover episode still makes me laugh, even today. Just absolutely kills it on the delivery.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124465: Jan 20th 2021 at 12:56:55 PM

Power of webs! Make things sticky![lol]

But yeah. If Thor is the consummate shit talker of the MU, then Storm is the best hype-lady of the 90's series.

Girl knew how to build up to a moment.

One Strip! One Strip!
AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#124466: Jan 20th 2021 at 4:31:06 PM

Not that said version of Spidey could talk on others being hammy.

"SHOCKERRRR! I'll chase you to the ends of the earth...!"

Eh, I guess he has the excuse of being high on alien costume at the time.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#124467: Jan 20th 2021 at 5:04:46 PM

That was much hammier than I had remembered.

I will say though that (at least without checking), that is pretty much how Eddie Brock as Venom tends to sound in adaptations with that kind of loud Guttural Growler voice.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124468: Jan 20th 2021 at 5:11:28 PM

Gotta love Venom’s ham.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#124469: Jan 20th 2021 at 5:17:06 PM

[up]As much as I love that scene (and Spec!Venom), Venom’s turn was so rushed to me. You would think that Eddie would put two and two together after finding out all that information and realize that Peter had pretty good reasons for doing the things he did.

Then again, he probably just wanted an excuse to kill Peter.

Edited by deuteragonist on Jan 20th 2021 at 5:20:09 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124470: Jan 20th 2021 at 5:22:29 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly it.

Lotta rage and anger, especially amplified by Venom.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#124471: Jan 20th 2021 at 5:27:00 PM

Apparently resentment that when both Peter's and Eddie's parents died, Peter got adopted by his aunt and Eddie was stuck in foster care

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124472: Jan 20th 2021 at 6:35:41 PM

He does mention that in this scene.

He admits to have a lot of resentment over growing up alone.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#124473: Jan 21st 2021 at 7:09:56 AM

Spectacular!Brock was much more damaged/less well adjusted than he outwardly seemed. The Venom symbiote just tipped him over the edge rather than changing him fundamentally as a person.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#124474: Jan 21st 2021 at 8:18:09 AM

But what gets me about Eddie is that he very much contradicts himself after becoming Venom, using people that he actually cares about just to hurt Peter.

Like he says he loves Gwen but then he tries to kill her later. He’ll visit Aunt May in the hospital after her heart attack...but then also try to kill her in the next episode. He says he cares about the Connors family, but still steals the Symbiote anyway.

I don’t know, Eddie is just kind of a psychotic idiot. Had the show went on, I feel like we really would have seen that it wasn’t really about Peter so much as just wanting a reason to lash out at something.

Sidenote: I don’t really think this is the thread for this conversation so I’ll just tie it back to the MCU by saying that I’m SO glad that they’re not doing the symbiote arc in the Spidey movies. It’s easily the most overused Spidey story in media.

Edited by deuteragonist on Jan 21st 2021 at 8:19:10 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#124475: Jan 21st 2021 at 8:47:05 AM

[up]Is overused sure but is also one of the most intersting once for a reason.

On the other hand I feel they have lach peter so much the avenger and tony stark that him doing stuff in new york have getting sideline a lot.

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