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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#124301: Jan 12th 2021 at 2:18:17 PM

If they want shadier characters in charge, they could also reintroduce some of the characters used in the tv shows, if they're going whole hog on those not actually being canon to the MCU. Thinking primarily of Victoria Hand, here.

Though I mostly just want Victoria Hand back just in case they decide to adapt Norman Osborn in a Dark Reign adaptation.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 12th 2021 at 2:19:09 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#124302: Jan 12th 2021 at 4:01:41 PM

I don't know if it was already mentioned but these seem like the official lengths of the series.

  • Moon Knight, Loki and Falcon & Winter Soldier: 6 episodes of 40-50 minutes.
  • She-hulk: 10 episodes of 30 minutes.

It makes sense, because the three series above will surely be designed to have a format in which they are basically long movies, while She-Hulk will surely be a sitcom.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#124303: Jan 12th 2021 at 4:13:10 PM

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I really like that suggestion. I vaguely had the idea of Olivia taking over Gwen's body / an alternate universe Oliva that took over Gwen's body, but his idea is simpler and I think better.

Not sure what I think though about his idea of Ock romancing the female equivalent of himself.

Superior!Peter B. makes a lot of sense because Peter B. is a particularly unsuccessful (or arguably faithfully unsuccessful) version of Peter. So, the plotline of Ock "improving" Peter's life would be a natural fit.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#124304: Jan 12th 2021 at 4:45:42 PM

Not sure what I think though about his idea of Ock romancing the female equivalent of himself

Olivia Octavius is already in an on-again-off-again relationship with Aunt May and limits all relationships with men to strictly business, scientific, or combat.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 12th 2021 at 4:46:31 AM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#124305: Jan 12th 2021 at 4:53:13 PM

MCU Victoria Hand was killed in 2014 tho, back when Ao S was getting cameos from movie characters.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#124306: Jan 12th 2021 at 5:01:28 PM

Hence "if they're going whole hog on [those shows] not actually being canon to the MCU."

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#124307: Jan 12th 2021 at 5:11:41 PM

They can introduce a character with the same name.

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#124308: Jan 12th 2021 at 9:35:02 PM

"But agent hand, you die by agent ward."

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#124309: Jan 13th 2021 at 1:37:44 AM

I had forgotten Victoria Hand appeared in the movies before Agents of Shield, when was that?

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#124310: Jan 13th 2021 at 2:22:45 AM

She didn't, I think he just alluded to the fact that, back then in Season 1, Agents was a lot more directly connected to the movies.

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#124311: Jan 13th 2021 at 2:37:36 AM

Ah, OK. Then there is nothing preventing the character from appearing in the films, given how they have been consistently ignoring the series (and AoS has been ignoring the movies more and more as the seasons went by anyway).

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#124313: Jan 13th 2021 at 8:10:58 AM

Lot of people being rumoured to reprise roles recently. Kinda numbed to it.

That said, I definitely do want to see the Netflix characters more, so I'll be happy if that does happen.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#124314: Jan 13th 2021 at 8:48:23 AM

[up]A PI helping an attorney makes perfect sense, and she’s a great actress, so I want it to be true, but I’m not holding my breath.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#124315: Jan 13th 2021 at 10:00:29 AM

IIRC the block against using the Netflix characters in other Marvel properties has expired for all the characters (or will later this year), in a wierd way the delay in filming/producing the new Marvel Series due to COVID may have allowed them to add these characters when previously they couldn't

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#124316: Jan 13th 2021 at 10:33:19 AM

Well, sort of. It still can't be the exact same Jessica Jones, but the same actress playing a new adaptation of the same character probably isn't going to be a problem.

Jess is actually in an interesting space, because of all the Netflix characters her adaptation was possibly the most matching to the comics. Marvel could give her much of the same backstory without issue from Netflix, minus stuff like the weirdness with her mother and the falling out with Trish, come to think.

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#124317: Jan 13th 2021 at 10:35:59 AM

Maybe we'll also see Charlie cox come back in his lawyer role.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#124318: Jan 13th 2021 at 12:26:07 PM

They might take a Broad Strokes approach with them the way Edward Norton Hulk both was and wasn't Eric Bana Hulk.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#124319: Jan 13th 2021 at 12:47:03 PM

[up] That might be the best way to handle it. Though I'm guessing that Jessica Jones and Daredevil will have relatively modest roles so it's not going to come up a lot.

So for example Jessica Jones will be a PI involved in one case She-Hulk works. And then in a different case Matt Murdoch is the opposing council.

Also out of curiosity, what sort of lawyer is Jennifer Water's typically portrayed as anyways? Matt Murdoch seems to be mostly criminal defense with a bit of civil law on the side, but perhaps a different angle could be that Jennifer Waters works for the DA and specializes in cases where an enhanced person is either the perpetrator or the victim.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#124320: Jan 13th 2021 at 12:58:41 PM

I know I'd prefer her to be defense attorney, simply because I despised the Daredevil show's depiction of Matt as a defense attorney (tbh, for the grim, black and white morality they gave him in that series he would've been better off as a prosecutor anyway).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 13th 2021 at 2:14:42 AM

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#124321: Jan 13th 2021 at 1:02:22 PM

She’s always a defense attorney from her runs I’ve read. It gives her more opportunity to meet fantastic new clients and dig into the lesser seen parts of the Marvel-verse.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#124322: Jan 13th 2021 at 1:27:27 PM

I wonder if Jen will get a Once per Episode Hulking Out.

Edited by C105 on Jan 13th 2021 at 10:27:54 AM

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#124323: Jan 13th 2021 at 3:21:03 PM

I'd like it if we could get a single Jen-only episode and a single She-Hulk-only episode, but otherwise both sides get more or less equal spotlight per episode.

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#124324: Jan 13th 2021 at 4:42:14 PM

There are other choices for shady leaders for SWORD, like Henry Peter Gyrich.

Edited by Cortez on Jan 14th 2021 at 6:30:36 AM

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#124325: Jan 14th 2021 at 12:43:12 AM

I'd like to see a non shady leader personally, Fury is pretty grey morally speaking and after the Hydra stuff it would be nice to have an actual good guy doing good guy things.

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