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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#124201: Jan 10th 2021 at 7:24:39 AM

The rankings for the shows goes:

Better than good tier (not perfect, but the best we got): Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil

Good tier: Jessica Jones (carried solely by season one, weighed down by literally everything else), Agent Carter, The Punisher

Decent tier: Luke Cage, Cloak and Dagger, Runaways

Meh tier: The Defenders, Iron Fist

Bad tier: A canon version of Helstrom

Garbage tier: The Star Wars Holiday Special

[Skip a few tiers]

The Antichrist tier: [up][up][up] The one we don't talk about.

Speaking of, I've been writing synopses for all the shows on the main MCU page. Anyone want to do one for that? I've been meaning to do so, but... well, I just don't want to.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Jan 10th 2021 at 7:25:43 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#124202: Jan 10th 2021 at 8:16:35 AM

Luke Cage was actually pretty good in Season 2, and the first half of Season 1 was also good. It's when Cottonmouth was killed off in favor of Diamondback that it got meh.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#124204: Jan 10th 2021 at 9:12:49 AM

I would have trusted those reviews if it werent for the early wonderwoman reviews doing the same.

It might just be me, but most of the prerelease reviews I encountered for WW84 were negative instead.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 10th 2021 at 9:13:06 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#124205: Jan 10th 2021 at 12:36:55 PM

Jessica Jones Season 2 was also an utter drag comparable to Iron Fist Season 1, being incredibly boring on top of poorly plotted and written.

Thankfully Season 3 was solid.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#124206: Jan 10th 2021 at 1:28:55 PM

The post release WW 84 reviews were pretty quick to inform us of the flaws, I heard one pre-release review that was so purple prose and glurge filled it made me WARY of the film.

The Netflix series had the problem of Netflix wanting either larger one shot seasons or smaller 'mini' seasons since they never adapted the 'ep a week' format other series later adopted to prevent the "Binge during the free trials"

So they had to pad the HELL out of some of the seasons, lessons learned for Disney+

Edited by ShadowWingLG on Jan 10th 2021 at 3:31:20 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#124207: Jan 10th 2021 at 1:58:01 PM

The good thing about Inhumans is that even among the divisive MCU fandom, everyone can agree that the show is trash and absolutely no one's defending it under the impression of it being any good. I just cannot see anything the franchise puts out from this point forward being anywhere near as bad.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#124208: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:11:36 PM

I stopped watching Inhumans after a few episodes because I got bored of it. What was so exceptionally terrible about it?

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#124209: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:16:43 PM

Unlikable/arrogant protagonists, inconsistently written character motivations, shoehorned in and completely unimportant subplots, the death of Best Boi Mordis, and probably some other things I've forgotten due to only putting myself through it once. The only thing I can compliment is the actors, who at least tried with what shit they were given.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#124210: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:19:50 PM

Short version, it was put together with the least amount of money and time they could get away with it. And gave the show/IMAX film to the same guy who gave MCU its first black eye in a long streak of successes. (Iron Fist Season 1).

Beck was chosen by Perlmutter because he could make the show fast and cheap with little to no consideration to making it GOOD or on par with other MCU projects and it SHOWS.

It was also rushed because Feige pulled the Inhumans film from the movie slate because Feige felt they didn't have good enough story/creative team to do the property justice, Perlmutter who was DETERMINED to make Inhumans a 'thing' pushed the series into production.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#124211: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:20:09 PM

Bad effects and not enough Lockjaw.

Edited by Blueace on Jan 10th 2021 at 7:24:37 AM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#124212: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:23:05 PM

The funny thing about Lockjaw is that even though he looks GREAT compared to the rest of the effects, its still off putting because NOBODY TOUCHES HIM. Big Friendly Dog and nobody pets or touches him.

They were so cheap they couldn't give the actors a PROP to interact with and touch, and didn't want to spend more in post to smooth over those touches.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#124213: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:25:29 PM

Basically, Inhumans had a society where you're condemned to a life of slave labour if you don't get any special powers after terrigenesis. The ruling class sees no problem with this.

The guy trying to stop this is supposed to be the bad guy.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#124214: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:25:58 PM

Lockjaw is the goodest of boys and deserves better

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#124215: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:27:30 PM

I blame the bad rep of the show from being rushed out because Ike Paperclips wanted his mutants despite Fox having film rights in 2017.

Edited by Mizerous on Jan 10th 2021 at 5:27:52 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#124216: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:28:15 PM

The acting was also mostly terrible. But yeah, the Protagonists were the worst.

Had Thanos slaughtered these assholes as his great entry scene, I think everybody would've cheered.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124217: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:30:10 PM

The saddest thing about Inhumans is that the entire push killed the franchise. Marvel has taken a three year break from them (and I think they're in year four of that break) and it'll be a while before they can make it back to any type of screen.

Only Kamala is around to represent them, and she's pretty much the (pre-Retcon) Scarlet Witch of the Inhumans: technically one of them, but pretty distant from them as a whole.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#124218: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:31:09 PM

I mean they put Inhumans in the Avengers game, but that game isn't doing hot either.

Just Makima.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124219: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:33:29 PM

The game was developed during the Inhuman push. It even has the maligned plotline of Inhumans randomly popping up all over the world and being subjected to Fantastic Racism just like Mutants.

Its the last remnant of the Dork Age plaguing the characters in the mid-2010s.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 10th 2021 at 2:34:21 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#124220: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:36:51 PM

[up]That game went so far as to have A Kree robot redesigned to be identical to a Sentinel.

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#124221: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:38:12 PM

Well, Sentries are already pretty similar to Sentinels, design-wise...

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#124222: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:43:49 PM

Doesn't help the people complaining that Inhumans are just mutants though.

Edited by Mizerous on Jan 10th 2021 at 5:44:05 AM

Just Makima.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124223: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:46:04 PM

Their Mutants with a few extra steps.

A Mutant just needs anything from intense emotions to simply reaching the right age to sprout powers

While an Inhuman requires being exposed to the Terrigan gas necessitating big events like massive containments spreading in the air to justify them activating all over the planet.

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ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#124224: Jan 10th 2021 at 2:47:33 PM

I wonder if the MCU or a future adaptation will choose to composite the Inhumans and the mutants, maybe by making the Inhumans a race of mutants like the Neo, or having mutants be the equivalent of NuHumans.

[up] Some Inhuman powers are hereditary, though — it's mentioned at one point in the comics that rampant Terrigenesis of the Inhuman population resulted in some horrific mutations which had to be bred out over generations.

Edited by ClancyGardener on Jan 10th 2021 at 2:49:47 AM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#124225: Jan 10th 2021 at 4:14:14 PM

Their Mutants with a few extra steps.

Not really and kinda dismissive of Jack Kirby's vision for them.

Only Kamala is around to represent them,

Not true, Lockjaw is still around.

Edited by Cortez on Jan 10th 2021 at 8:16:02 AM


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