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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#124101: Dec 24th 2020 at 4:24:44 AM

I wouldn't really call Gunboat Diplomacy 'de-escalating'. (Ironically, Cap during Avengers vs X-Men did the very same thing.)

Being friendly about having an army at your back and basically telling your opponent 'You have no choice in this, otherwise there will be violence.' isn't changing the fact that you are giving them no choice. That the other party acts enraged over this isn't really surprising, in my opinion.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#124102: Dec 24th 2020 at 5:07:41 AM

Yeah its a simple human thing. React with violence against someone and they will react back. Fight or flight.

Edited by miraculous on Dec 24th 2020 at 5:08:10 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#124103: Dec 24th 2020 at 5:25:34 AM

It seems like a lot of discussions about registration get muddied by conflating the ideas of:

- superhero registration (you need a license to practice as a superhero, like a doctor or lawyer, and can be stripped of that license and and/or face legal penalties if you show yourself to be incompetent or reckless; the most reasonable of the concepts)

- superhuman registration (registering everyone with superpowers regardless of vigilante status; very dangerous, a privacy violation, and a potential tool for genocide, esp. re: mutants)

- superhero conscription (all superheroes but be part of a single organization with official leadership, as with the MCU Sokovia Accords; possibly could’ve worked if they followed due process instead of creating Marvel Gitmo, and if they’d had decent leadership rather than Ross)

- superhuman conscription (all superhumans must work for a specified government body, generally in a combat capacity; unethical, discriminatory, and a violation of civil liberties).

Edited by Galadriel on Dec 24th 2020 at 8:44:18 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#124104: Dec 24th 2020 at 5:36:43 AM

In the case of Marvel, that confusion extended to the writers it seems.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#124105: Dec 24th 2020 at 6:03:42 AM

On the briefly mentioned topic of Mojo a couple of pages back: I'm honestly still infuriated they haven't used him for Deadpool on a greater capacity. They should really use him for the third film.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#124106: Dec 24th 2020 at 6:28:48 AM

He’d really fit the meta tone

Re: Carol, she also keeps beating up Rogue when they interact but some of that is “stop sneaking into my house to talk to me, I have knee jerk feelings about you”, some of it is alternate Carols egging her on, some of it is Carol really not being over what Rogue has done, and some of it is just Rogue being ridiculously abrasive sometimes

Or mind control. I think Rogue was mind controlled into fighting Carol once and Carol broke the control by letting Rogue drain her because Rogue has her own knee jerk reaction against Carol living in her brain again

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 24th 2020 at 9:31:56 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#124107: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:56:26 AM

I doubt Mojo has anything to do with Wanda Vision. If anyone ever decides to use him in the MCU it'll probably be connected to the X-Men.

[up]Yeah, the last time Carol and Rogue met, Nuclear Man had brainwashed Rogue, and so Carol sort of gave in to Rogue's powers so the two could work together to overcome his control. They're mostly (mostly) past their issues.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#124108: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:16:59 AM

On the briefly mentioned topic of Mojo a couple of pages back: I'm honestly still infuriated they haven't used him for Deadpool on a greater capacity. They should really use him for the third film.

Mojo is one of those characters I'm surprised debuted in the X-Men instead of some place like Fantastic Four or Howard the Duck.

Edited by windleopard on Dec 24th 2020 at 11:41:41 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#124109: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:35:27 AM

Given the stated Dr. Strange connection, my guess has been that the overarching antagonist there is Nightmare and that Wanda's powers are being influenced by the Dream Dimension, essentially warping reality around her into a twisted facsimile of her dreams and nightmares.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 24th 2020 at 11:36:06 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#124110: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:38:46 AM

I recall Wanda had a solo by James Robinson in 2015. Are there any villains from that run that could show up in Wanda Vision?

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#124111: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:48:00 AM

[up][up][up]Mojo, IIRC, didn't debut in a X-Men book proper, but in the Longshot mini that debuted that character as well. I haven't read it myself, but I'm under the impression that it wasn't a mutant book itself, just an alien fantasy comic that happens to use characters who would shortly be brought into the mutant books.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#124112: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:48:04 AM

They tried to give her an arch-enemy in the Emerald Warlock.

It...didn't really work.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#124113: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:48:51 AM

Then again, some adaptations had better luck than the originals.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#124114: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:49:40 AM

[up]x4 The only one I can think of The Emerald Warlock, but I'm not sure how if even if he'd fit into the series considering his mystic origins.

[nja]'d

Edited by Aleistar on Dec 24th 2020 at 2:50:02 PM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#124115: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:50:16 AM

[up][up][up] Who? (Looks it up)

... Oh. That's... kind of stupid.

He looks like a one-arc "reinvention" (can't think of a better way to describe it, think when Two-Face briefly became One-Face) for Doctor Doom

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 24th 2020 at 11:52:50 AM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#124116: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:53:00 AM

I was under the impression Master Pandemonium was the closest thing Wanda had to a personal archnemesis.

Maybe Wandavision will bring Wonder Man into the MCU fold? He's an actor so he kinda fits with the TV motif, he's got a long story with the Scarlet Witch and the Vision, and he's kind of a need to set up if they ever want to use the Grim Reaper.

Wikipedia has this to say about the character in the context of the MCU but I don't know whether it's correct or not:

Nathan Fillion was set to appear as Simon Williams on movie posters set within Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. Fillion released a picture from the film's set that depicted Williams as an actor portraying Arkon. Though his scenes were cut from the movie, the film's director James Gunn acknowledged the character could return in future installments of the MCU franchise.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#124117: Dec 24th 2020 at 12:09:08 PM

I’m reminded that the Gunpoint Diplomacy was also done in Civil War II when Carol & Tony brought an entire army to Bruce’s lab on the fear of another epic Hulk-out.

Which as you know is a very gracious sign of a lack of trust. After all this time and all they experienced together, everyone is still that scared of the Hulk that they can’t even reasonably discuss with Bruce “Hey a precog just told us your gonna Hulk-out, we are just trying to be safe”. Even worse is at that point Bruce was unable to turn into Hulk then, Amadeus Cho took so their fears were completely unfounded.

But no let’s bring an entire army to our friends door, that will surely go over well. No wonder Bruce and Devil Hulk cut off connections with the Avengers when they came back. They are terrible friends.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#124118: Dec 24th 2020 at 2:53:22 PM

Civils War just make people look bad

We should stop having them

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#124119: Dec 24th 2020 at 2:56:25 PM

Hero vs hero stuff caused a lot of damage. Surprising Earth didn't explode because these guys either can't stop fighting or couldn't get it together with all the mistrust.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124120: Dec 24th 2020 at 2:59:25 PM

Don't worry. That's when the villains will step up.

I mean, Norman did essentially save the day at the climax of Secret Invasion.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#124121: Dec 24th 2020 at 3:01:28 PM

Boo and hiss

It’s not like he saved the day, it’s more he kill stole

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#124122: Dec 24th 2020 at 7:00:58 PM

In the comics, the greatest villain who had the most impact on Wanda's life was Chthon. But he's the kind of threat that cannot show up repeatedly.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#124123: Dec 24th 2020 at 7:14:54 PM

[up][up]

Yes well, sometimes that's all you need.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#124124: Dec 24th 2020 at 8:03:23 PM

Re: Mojo:

Now that Marvel Studios is producing both theatrical films and Disney+ streaming series, I'd want them to reserve Mojo for one of series. An evil, extradimensional TV producer on an actual TV show has so much more meta potential.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#124125: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:05:04 PM

I'd dig a Mojo show where is show is literally Mojo's broadcast, and each season he kidnaps a different group of Marvel heroes and guest stars to go through his games a la Survivor or something, but the actual story of every season is their slow but inevitable dismantling of his plan and eventual escape.


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