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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I think that’s how the story those panels were from resolved
Reed and Hank get stuck in a paradox room while fighting over the thing and eventually Reed sees Hank’s side of the argument
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI don’t think Hank would mind
His helmet lets him communicate with all insects
He just likes ants best
Forever liveblogging the AvengersReed would ensure that these antlions hate Hank Pym.
Besides, it's not like Hank has luck with all arthropods - a giant spider demon ate him.
Edit:
Going back to the movies, I doubt Movie!Hank will have any (more) issues with Reed Richards than he would with most people. Which is to say Movie!Hank would still be kind of an insufferable jackass to him.
Edited by M84 on Dec 24th 2020 at 1:03:53 AM
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Wouldn't that make Hank more powerful? He would engineer them to be intelligent so that Hank cound't control them (
'd before I could post
)... but as ants are asshole, they would go all world domination:
Which would be good, actually, as they would then have to let their diferences aside and fight them together now.
I've always both loved and disliked that argument. Loved because it's awesome, and it doesn't skew towards slamming either one or the other like some of the comics' big contention moments with Hank do - they're both being assholes and they both look worse for getting into it like that.
One the other hand, it's the Marvel Universe drawing direct attention to the fact that the history of its "supergenius" characters is one long list of terrible if not monstrous decisions and actions that would hurt scores of people but which they were then Easily Forgiven for, because of the nature of comic books to go back to the status quo, something imo they shouldn't do so much. Them bringing up Clor especially stings, since Reed condescendingly brings up that Hank might be unstable after Bill's death, Hank retorts (paraphrased) "I'm not the one who went on a power trip and freakin' killed him!" (referring to Tony), and it's just treated like a petty argument.
I still think that Tony building Clor, unleashing it on his friends and directly getting Bill Foster killed should have been more of a big deal in Civil War and the immediately subsequent media than it was. I don't mind it being swept under the rug (because again, that's just how comic books work), but even at the time it was treated like your average C-List Fodder when Tony straight built a superweapon that killed one of his friends. It should've been the turning point of the whole thing, but that ended up coming later.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:44:00 AM
That scene just comes across as a character being disrespected due to their infamy or lack of popularity compared to other characters. Like how Roy Harper is often flanderized into an unlikable moron when he's with a Bat character.
Movie Hank already has a petty and irrational grudge with Howard Stark. I don't think he'll have one against Reed and if he does, Reed can just respond with a "Who are you?" as Tony did to Scott.
Popularity means never having to face accountability.
Edited by windleopard on Dec 23rd 2020 at 6:51:38 AM
If you think about it Clor was way worse than Salvation-1
Hank only attempted to kill all his friends to make them like him again and he didn’t violate anyone’s genetic autonomy to do it
Reed and Tony actually succeeded in killing a friend
Reed got almost zero fallout except Sue spending very little time apart from him. Tony got beat up by everyone as the scapegoat for the whole event
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYa know its funny how Reed can avoid responsibility when he's not as popular or high profile as Tony or Carol.
Tony's among the most popular Marvel heroes now and Carol is heavily invested by Marvel so they both avoid responsibility for any horrid actions. Meanwhile FF got the major shaft for a while due to the movie rights thing and the negative-receptions of their existing movies.
Yet he gets a safety net like the both of them.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."The Fantastic Four were born from Reed recklessly pulling them all into an untested ship for a trip into the unknown which mutated them all and turned one of them into a hideous rock creature.
The three have been putting up with Reed's actions since pretty much Day One, if they were the type to blow him out over there they'd have done it before the franchise even got its footing. It's sort of part of the premise, and fits all the characters to a degree; Ben's got the patience and tolerance of a saint all things considered, Sue loves Reed all too dearly, and Johnny is kinda stupid enough to not know better and he's taken the least amount of damage from his association with Richards anyway (I mean, Sue lost a child because of her radiation absortion, after all).
So, got a relative with a theory that the real villain of WandaVision is Mojo.
I do admit, the entire premise does kinda reek of said character's MO. The only catch is that even before she got retconned out of being both Magneto's daughter and a mutant, Wanda has always been kinda disconnected from the X-franchise, and as far as I know, barring a few exceptions (that weird Spiderman / Wolverine mini where there were being tossed through time, which was revealed to be due to Mojo, and then later on, the Spiderman and the Xmen comic where Peter became teacher at the school after Logan's death because the latter wanted him to find a potential traitor) Mojo has always been a pure X-villain as far as I know. That being said, maybe this might lead to some branching out for Mojo if the theory is right. What do you guys think?
One Strip! One Strip!@ windleopard
Don't forget Carol brutally arresting Julia Carpenter in front of her daughter during the first Civil War and basically getting an orgasm seeing Skrull's suffocate in Secret Invasion, just on top of my head.
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Not convinced. Nothing we've seen so far couldn't honestly be caused by Wanda's own powers and a bout of instability, Occam's Razor suggests that she's responsible rather than any third party.
Mojo was more about gladiators or gameshows than sitcoms anyway IIRC.
Edited by jakobitis on Dec 24th 2020 at 10:38:51 AM
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."Julia attacked Carol first
◊. She even says that she wanted her daughter to see her fighting Carol. And this was after Julia caused
◊ an accident trying to escape Carol
◊. To say nothing of her being a double agent for the anti-reg side.
Their was a recurring theme of the pro-reg faction trying to extend the olive branch or deescalate tension and the anti-reg faction responding with hostility, violence and spite. Julia is the one who instigates the fight with Carol yet it's Carol who gets blamed when the only reason Julia's daughter was present at the scene was because Julia wanted her there.
The Skrull thing is creepy I'll give you but that's a case of What Measure Is a Non-Human? which plenty of Marvel and DC heroes have had.
Edited by windleopard on Dec 24th 2020 at 2:59:00 AM

the solution is to turn them into children so they stop acting like children
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