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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123927: Dec 17th 2020 at 4:01:02 PM

Huh shit so Ms Marvel & Monica Rambeau are gonna be in Cap Mar 2.

Shit if Monica becomes Spectrum and her power level remains strong like Carol's, thats gonna a broken-ass team.

Your gonna need the entire Kree army to take them both down.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123929: Dec 18th 2020 at 1:45:01 PM

Random though I had: if Feige et. al. are all-in on multiverses, between Doc Strange, What If and Spider-Man 3, what are the chances of them bringing in The Maker as a Fantastic Four villain, possibly played by Miles Teller? While's he's similar to Doom, he's also distinct and would offer new dramatic scenarios.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#123930: Dec 18th 2020 at 1:53:53 PM

I think they'd like to pretend that Fant4stic doesn't exist. I wouldn't be opposed to Miles Teller in the MCU, but I'd rather have him as far away from any form of Reed Richards as possible.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123931: Dec 18th 2020 at 2:09:39 PM

I recall Deadpool 2 considered a joke of the prior Fantastic Four (from both series) appearing in the audition montage but it fell through.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 18th 2020 at 2:09:53 AM

EndBringer99 Enda Mc Nabola Since: Oct, 2015
#123932: Dec 19th 2020 at 9:57:41 AM

Armor Wars may be the best chance to introduce more of Iron Man's Rogues Gallery into the MCU.

Edited by EndBringer99 on Dec 19th 2020 at 9:58:05 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#123933: Dec 19th 2020 at 10:02:55 AM

Will Sam rockwell return as Justin hammer, the mastermind of that arc?

We got Tim Roth back as abomination so why not ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123934: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:00:40 AM

[up]x2 Probably true, but I don't know who is left to add, between the real Mandarin being in Shang-Chi and most of the other ones of note already being used in some capacity. Maybe Ultimo?

[down] Fair enough.

Edited by Aleistar on Dec 19th 2020 at 2:12:53 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#123935: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:10:31 AM

Blizzard ? Ezekial Stane ? Justine Hammer? Titanium Man ? Living lazer?

I can think off a lot of ones we haven't used yet with potential.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#123936: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:14:36 AM

Many are comparatively two-dimensional punks with power armor. Which makes them an easy, quick inclusion in a show like Armor Wars.

Beyond that... What? See how they adapt a bunch of the Soviet villains Tony fought during the Cold War?

Wake me up at your own risk.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#123937: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:17:32 AM

You can do some interesting things with lazer if you go with a more Tragic Monster approach. I adored what iron man armoured adventures did with him by go ing that route.

Well it is armour wars. So hammer could serve as Big Bad. He's not dead and roth is coming back as Abomination. So why not ?

Edited by miraculous on Dec 19th 2020 at 11:17:50 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#123938: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:20:27 AM

Speaking of She-Hulk, was there any word of if Bruce will return for it? I missed if there was or not.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 19th 2020 at 1:22:36 PM

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123939: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:24:08 AM

[up] Bruce is coming back for it, but to wat extent is still unknown.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123940: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:24:45 AM

I'm kind of interested in the second Radioactive Man, but I'm not sure how much could be done with him, in part because of China.

What I mainly find interesting with him is that IMO, he seems to be part of a Fountain of Expies of Dadgenham in The Stars My Destination (and probably the closest to the original).

Tl; dr, Dagenham was a scientist who got caught in a radiation explosion and survived (but still has some radiation poisoning). For limited times during the day, he is safe to be around, but is a Walking Wasteland most of the time.

I haven't found a good source for it, but supposedly Doctor Manhattan is based on him (which fits the "scientist caught in explosion" part), but I also see similarities in Derek "Blight" Powers of Batman Beyond (a more weaponized take on giving off radiation), and Max Damage of Irredeemable (the "only normal for a limited time of the day" part).

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123941: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:30:20 AM

Okay, doing this again. Just let me pull up wikipedia...

Already in the movies: Obidiah Stane, Aldrich Killian, Coldblood (The Dragon from Iron Man 3) are dead, Whiplash (a Composite Character with the second Crimson Dynamo) is probably dead, Ghost is alive and is probably going to be good, and Justin Hammer is alive but probably not going to be good. AIM has presumably been disbanded, but are rumored to reappear in Black Widow and will most definitely return whenever MODOK finally arrives. Oh, and when they're not led by Dario Agger I refuse to consider Roxxon a threat.

Will be in the movies: The real Mandarin is confirmed for Shang-Chi.

Were in the shows: The Donnie Gill iteration of Blizzard is dead (though they Never Found the Body), and Whitney Frost is likely dead or too old to do evil stuff (and the proper Giulietta Nefaria incarnation is rumored to appear in Hawkeye).

The rest: The Controller, Living Laser, MODOK, Zeke Stane, Titanium Man, and Ultimo I see as also likely. Dreadknight, Firebrand and Spymaster less so, Temugin doesn't seem like the kind of guy to get adapted into live-action anytime soon (and he may be a Composite Character with Shang-Chi), Fin Fang Foom will probably appear with the real Mandarin, and no way the Melter or Unicorn will become actual threats.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 19th 2020 at 11:31:20 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123942: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:34:18 AM

I remember waaaaaay back in Iron Man 3, leading into Avengers 2, there was a humor that a female Radioactive Man was going to be the Anti-Villain of either of these movies. In retrospect, it was likely someone misinterpreting the role that turned out to be Helen Cho, but it was an idea I liked for some time.

As for other IM villains, I really, really want to see Living Laser in the MCU, and I always have - he's a characters with an incredibly different and interesting powerset, would make for some great scenes.

I'd be cool if Armor Wars introduced Justine Hammer, Zeke Stane, etc. In fact, an introduction of Justine Hammer would be great for a lead-in into the Thunderbolts of they're compositing general Masters of Evil concepts together, or even Shang-Chi if Justine's tryst with the Mandarin becomes canon in the MCU.

As for others, even though she's a minor antagonist I've always really liked the plot involving Stratosfire and I think even though she wasn't originally involved with Armor Wars, she would be a perfect fit into that arc. And hey, with her they can throw in The Sunturion as a minor hero as well.

I could totally buy Ultimo as the Final Boss of the Armor Wars story. Like, the final villain making knockoff Iron Mans creates this gigantic robot that runs amok and the heroes have to stop him.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 19th 2020 at 11:35:22 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#123943: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:36:12 AM

I see Radioactive Man and all I'm picturing is that Simpsons episode

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123944: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:40:44 AM

[up][up] Iron Man: Armored Adventures's take on the Living Laser was awesome, he and Ghost were my favorite villains on that show. I'd love for him to show up—he probably won't be in Armor Wars, but maybe Ironheart?

And hey, maybe we can finally get a proper "cold, calculating killing machine" evil AI in Ultimo that the MCU's Ultron miserably failed at. Hell, he could be an upgraded Ultron, or at least a modified version.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 19th 2020 at 11:42:41 AM

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#123945: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:45:56 AM

I don't know that it's really accurate to say that Ultron failed at being a "cold, calculating killing machine" when not only is that obviously not what they were going for in the movie, it's also not really accurate to Ultron from the comics. Consequence of being based off Hank Pym's brainwaves, "irrationally angry misanthropic robot manbaby" is kind of his schtick.

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#123946: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:47:18 AM

[up][up] While I don't like the MCU's Ultron either, it's not because he isn't a "cold, calculating killing machine" — I didn't like Ultron because he was too civil and snarky. I think of the Sentinels as more of the cold and calculating type, and Ultron as more of an unhinged psychopath.

Edited by ClancyGardener on Dec 19th 2020 at 11:47:28 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#123947: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:48:07 AM

People were hoping for Brainac from the sounds of it.

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#123948: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:48:22 AM

Yeah ultron is very emotionally unstable. He likes to pretend he's this cold unemotional robot. But a big thing with his character is that he's way more humanlike then he lets on.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123949: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:48:27 AM

@Ultimatum - Yeah, the name is an issue. He'd definitely be ripe for Comic-Book Movies Don't Use Codenames and would presumably be called Chen Lu if he appeared, with maybe someone jokingly referring to him as "Radioactive Man" once.

It did kind of strike me also that the MCU version of Ghost arguably already covers the "Anti-Villain agent with Power Incontinence" role that Chen Lu would have.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 19th 2020 at 1:49:11 PM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123950: Dec 19th 2020 at 11:48:43 AM

Okay, "cold and calculating" probably wasn't the best description, but you get what I mean. While I enjoyed James Spader, his Ultron just emoted too much. When I think Ultron, I think "humans are flawed. Prepare to die," like Tom Kane's version. Not a genocidal Tony Stark.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 19th 2020 at 11:49:47 AM


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