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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#123776: Dec 14th 2020 at 12:27:26 PM

How important is it for Hulkling to be Mar-Vell's son anyway? I always thought he was important due to the whole "half-Kree/half-Skrull" thing, I only just now learned the bit about Mar-Vell.

Though I suppose it makes sense why the Kree would be willing to make him Emperor.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 14th 2020 at 12:28:35 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#123777: Dec 14th 2020 at 12:30:28 PM

It was vaguely important in the Young Avengers all having ties to Avengers. Although Captain Mar-Vell was really an edge case.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123778: Dec 14th 2020 at 12:32:59 PM

Not sure myself, but because Mar-vell in the MCU is the rare Kree who is sympathetic to/protective of Skrulls, I would find it completely plausible if she had a relationship with one. And they could be of any gender, because Bizarre Alien Biology can explain anything.

I would say though that internal chronology gives me the sense though that it would make more sense for Hulkling to be Mar-vell's grandson though than son.

I this vague idea of a Summers Family Tree in which you'd have Hulkling, the Super Skrull, and the evil Mar-Vell as relatives. Maybe Jazinda too.

Also, the MCU should start using some "random Skrulls". Like obviously Veranke will be important (Talos' daughter maybe?) but also if they want a heroic Skrull for some purpose, use Tarna and M'lanz

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#123779: Dec 14th 2020 at 12:33:05 PM

They’ll prolly just have him be the son of another famous Kree champion.

Being the son of Wendy Mar-Vell doesn’t work as well since he was changed to a not particularly famous Kree scientist I believe while keeping being the child of a Skrull prince/princess would be easy. So the effect of him being the son of a Kree & Skrull prolly wouldn’t work as well if he’s the son of some random scientist most famous for dying on a backwater planet.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 14th 2020 at 12:33:57 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123780: Dec 14th 2020 at 12:41:53 PM

America Chavez has two moms and the comics have never gone into any detail about that beyond "uhhh magic" so I doubt Hulking would need explanation either. But I also doubt that they would make MCU Hulking the son of Mar-Vell since the film version wasn't of much importance to the galaxy at large.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123781: Dec 14th 2020 at 12:52:37 PM

[up]For better or for worse, a lot of items will be scrapped or redone for certain characters just because of the differences from comic to film.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123782: Dec 14th 2020 at 1:05:31 PM

IIRC while we didn't get any information that Wendy Mar-vell was someone of importance in Kree society, we didn't get any information that she wasn't either.

I'd find it believable that she used to be a high ranking Kree soldier.

Edit - I just remembered when mentioning her in the Diversity thread that Phylla-vell should appear. I'm on Team Skrull, but the MCU could also use some more good Kree.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 14th 2020 at 5:13:54 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123784: Dec 14th 2020 at 4:32:50 PM

So... what comes next?

To be honest, I wasn't expecting the arrival of folks like Ironheart or Kamala Khan to show up so soon since they're basically the newest generation of breakout heroes in the comics. Who's coming after them? Are the comics going to have to invent new generations at breakneck speed now? Or are the movies just going to abandon relying on the comics as a source and make their own original new heroes now? Who knows.

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#123785: Dec 14th 2020 at 4:37:47 PM

There are still so many heroes and villains they could use. The Power Pack, the god knows how many X-Teams, White Tiger, all the other Avengers, the New Warriors in some way, the super helmet Nova... There are decades worth of characters, they could elevate one or another to start making films. Not like elevating a character from obscurity into a mega star is difficult for them.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123786: Dec 14th 2020 at 4:38:05 PM

After these, they move to the New Universe, naturally.

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#123787: Dec 14th 2020 at 4:44:10 PM

Multiples Earths too

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#123788: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:02:53 PM

Yeah, they could do an entire three phases just using X-Men teams.

Seriously, there are so many X-Men characters.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123789: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:04:13 PM

The X-Men actually are their own universe.

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#123790: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:05:09 PM

I just wanna know if they own Magneto again, are they gonna make Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch his children again in the comics? (That retcon still pisses me off...) I doubt they're gonna be related in the MCU; Of course maybe we could have some House Of M shenanigans.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123791: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:09:23 PM

Well apparently in some kind of recent info-book it says that in the part of Sokovia that the twins lived in it is reputed that the people there had some kind of genetic anomalies. With the 2 being the only successful case of the experiments due to that and some special relations apparently.

Either a mythology gag or a hint to something bigger, who knows.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#123792: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:12:33 PM

[up][up]There was a recent MCU Guidebook (The Wakanda Files) and several other pieces of ancillary media that made some vague suggestion that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch had some sort of inner genetic factor that was "unlocked" by the Mind Stone rather than actually being granted powers by it.

It would be a very small matter to retcon the origin slightly by saying they were mutants whose latent powers were awakened by the Stone.

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#123793: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:31:32 PM

Honestly I’d love a Starbrand movie that focused in on suddenly becoming godtier while still having the mentality of a random jerk

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#123794: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:32:42 PM

Oof....

So it seems Emma Fuhrmann was completely unaware she was getting recast.

She found out after the investors' presentation that other actress was playing Cassie.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123795: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:09:14 PM

My guess is that she was recast because her initial casting in Endgame was likely done without the involvement of Peyton Reed or others key in developing the third Ant-Man film, so they wanted to screen an actress for Cassie by their standards. What a shame for Emma, it seems. Oh well.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123796: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:30:05 PM

[up] Yeah, it bites, but the entertainment industry is still a business at the end of the day, so I guess this kind of stuff happens a lot of times anyway, so what can we do about it other than whine and moan over it online?

It's possible that certain top brass figured Kathryn Newton would have better chemistry with the rest of the cast.

In any case, it's probably healthier to hope that better times will come.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 14th 2020 at 8:37:09 AM

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#123797: Dec 15th 2020 at 3:33:23 AM

Wrong thread.

Edited by djoki996 on Dec 15th 2020 at 3:33:50 AM

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#123798: Dec 15th 2020 at 4:15:17 AM

Wow, she played Cassie Lang for... exactly one minute before being recast.

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#123799: Dec 15th 2020 at 7:19:06 AM

Well at least no one got attached yet considering how fast the small her role was. Lol.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#123800: Dec 15th 2020 at 8:59:42 AM

Random thought that occurred to me: with all of the multiverse stuff coming up, how are we going to deal with the character folders?

Most of the alternate versions of characters from Endgame have too minor roles and are too similar to their original counterparts to warrant separate entries, but our new Loki is probably going to need a separate folder on his character page. And the current "Multiverse" page is probably going to get really bloated once What If...? comes out.


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