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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123726: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:40:43 PM

At the very least hopefully we won't get "Gorr is right."

The end result of that arc was essentially Thor agreeing with the monster & leaving him depowered and impotent as a result of no longer considering himself worthy.

Which presumably won't happen here especially after everything Thor has already went through.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#123727: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:45:54 PM

[up] Yeah, unless they have him go against Olympians don't do "Gorr is right".

If he's going after Olympians, on the other hand... Gorr is right and they all had it coming!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123728: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:53:21 PM

Even Hercules?

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123729: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:56:10 PM

I wonder how the Gorr thing will work since the MCU version of Asgard has been totally decimnated due to the combination of Hela and Thanos (and I've heard that MCU!Hela already owes a lot to Gorr).

However, at the same time, I can see Gorr working as an Evil Counterpart because he kind of gives the sense of what Thor would be like if he took a villainous turn after experiencing devastating events, and didn't just become The Big Lebowski (sorry).

Also, it kind of struck me from reading about Gorr that he has a certian similarity with the How to Train Your Dragon 2 villain Drago Bludvist. Probably because both characters are sort of going for "evil version of Beowulf / a Classic Hero".

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 12th 2020 at 3:58:45 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123731: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:19:08 PM

Gorr suffers from absolute moral myopia & is pretty much an insane son of a bitch.

It doesn't matter if some Gods aren't that bad, he still wants to kill them all because he collectively holds single God responsible for his own species wiping themselves into oblivion.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#123732: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:19:49 PM

Gorr is basically Kratos.

Didn't Kratos come to realize what he was doing was wrong (even if a lot of the gods were jerks) due to the massive harm it was doing to others.

Also, Gorr never seemed to consider that the reason his gods never helped him might be due to the same weapon that gave him his power. Like, you have a weapon that can kill gods, that came from a god that just got killed by another god mere moments earlier.

I don't think the story ever went into the details of why they were fighting, but it's entirely possible that all the gods of his world were trying to stop this dude from wtfpwning the universe, and then he rendered it all moot by taking the sword and going on to kill more gods.

Of course, it's also possible they were fighting for petty reasons as well. It's not really explained.

[up] [tup]

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 12th 2020 at 3:20:24 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123734: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:32:07 PM

It would be interesting to play into that.

Especially depending on how Jane-Thor comes into power. Cause if its say Thor willingly transferring his power to save her life, Gorr would be shocked at such a selfless act of love and kindness coming from one he assumed to be purely selfish.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 12th 2020 at 2:32:22 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#123735: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:32:41 PM

The TVA looks like they may have some backing from Kang

The TVA have nothing to do with Kang. If anything, they'd be opposed to Kang's empire.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123736: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:33:13 PM

There's a lot of reasons why Gorr gets deemed the God of Hypocrisy

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#123737: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:36:12 PM

And yet, someone decided he was right instead of getting him vaporized and not spared a single more thought.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#123738: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:36:30 PM

Jonathan Majors is confirmed as Kang the Conqueror, though I'm hoping he'll be a secondary villain

Kang isn't the secondary villain type. He's clearly the main villain

And Eric o'Grady would make no sense as a villain messing with the Quantum realm. He's henchman level at best and he's not very bright.

Plus people seem to hate villains that have similar powers to the heroes, at least in film.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 12th 2020 at 6:40:19 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#123739: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:37:44 PM

On the contrary, I think Kang fits nicely the Greater-Scope Villain role. Maybe like Dormmamu where he's basically a eldritch force in the background before a brief and inconclusive confrontation in the climax.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123740: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:41:20 PM

[up][up][up] That would be Jason Aaron.

He probably should have come up with a better secret for Original Sin & why Thor loses his hammer.

Then again he brought back Gorr for his final Thor run, the King Thor miniseries despite it taking place billions of years after the guy originally died so presumably he does really like him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#123741: Dec 12th 2020 at 2:41:23 PM

[up]×2

Kang isn't an eldritch horror, he's a time traveling conqueror from the future.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 12th 2020 at 6:41:44 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123742: Dec 12th 2020 at 3:11:24 PM

The statues and weird mask things at the TVA look a little like Kang, raising the possibility of some involvement from him or the Council of Kangs.

I raised the possibility of Eric in Quantumania because of the loose thread of Hydra's Pym Particles and Mitchell Carson. Though another Evil Counterpart as the Big Bad would be stupid, I agree.

Kang doesn't have to be a Greater-Scope Villain. He could just get involved because "Okay, what the hell are you morons doing to time?" and decides to stick around at The Stinger: "You know what? I like this era. Imma conquer it."

I mean, obviously not like that, but you get what I mean.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 12th 2020 at 3:12:50 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#123743: Dec 12th 2020 at 3:34:25 PM

I think the real question is: will we get his time machine in the form of a giant flying Sphinx?

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#123744: Dec 12th 2020 at 3:43:56 PM

The statues and weird mask things at the TVA look a little like Kang,

Seems more like the Living Tribunal's faces.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123745: Dec 12th 2020 at 3:47:40 PM

Didn't see this earlier, but TargetmasterJoe pointed out that they actually more closely resemble the Time-Keepers. Given the context, I'm perfectly willing to believe that.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123747: Dec 12th 2020 at 5:31:13 PM

I definitely hope they're not doing it as an excuse to hide the fact she's a lesbian ("The Eternals" has a gay superhero).

The ball is on China's court.

Disney (presumably) still wants to get these movies sold there, so until either China's society and politicians relent on the issue or Disney just calls its quits on that market we won't be seeing any major, relevant LBGT heroes whose leanings aren't easy-peasy to just cut out, much less from characters spanning major arcs through several high profile films.

I have no idea how will Eternals do it. Perhaps we'll be dealt an Onward and the whole thing is just yet another easily edited out little tease (although IIRC it was stated that wouldn't be the case). Maybe they'll go all out after all and this will be a test to see how far they can push on an obscure property before daring to push the issue with a better globally known property. And of course, we also have to see the Chinese market's reaction to Eternals. So... again, the ball's on their court.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Dec 12th 2020 at 5:32:19 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123748: Dec 12th 2020 at 5:44:47 PM

I don't think it's only about China. They didn't even cut out the gay kiss from The Rise of Skywalker. Public and political homophobic pressure is alive and well in America.

(Funnily enough, the most recent big example of China censoring romance out of a Hollywood film was a straight kiss in the Mulan remake.)

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 12th 2020 at 5:45:27 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#123749: Dec 12th 2020 at 7:59:23 PM

So...is going to be a next greater scope villian after thannos or not?.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123750: Dec 12th 2020 at 8:04:36 PM

Galactus, probably.

Maybe the Beyonder, as a wild guess.


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