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    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123701: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:32:49 PM

One thing that can be said about the heroes of the MCU is they have a greater sense of responsibility towards underage heroes. In comics canon, the older heroes pretty much ignored or were callous at Spider-Man when he still was a boy (and that's without going on how he was treated in the Ultimate line), where the movies make a point of it being a mistake of Tony to bring them into the other heroes' conflicts, and then Tony actually tries to be protective of him.

So I'd expect that any teen team in this universe would be carefully looked after by the adults, and that said adults wouldn't be thrilled if many of said teams start popping up all at once or so.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Dec 11th 2020 at 5:33:39 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#123702: Dec 11th 2020 at 5:59:59 PM

Good thing the Runaways got a show somewhere else, since their whole thing is to basically go "screw adults"

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#123703: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:02:57 PM

About my favorite fight, I'm gonna have to give it to two fights in Civil War: the big airport fight scene and Tony vs. Steve and Bucky.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#123704: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:12:00 PM

I really enjoy the whole fight between Gamora and Nebula in GOTG 2, plus Yondu mowing down his crew even if it's more of a Curb-Stomp Battle. The whole bridge fight in Ragnarok is up there, the Titan fight scene (s) in Infinity War, Thor, Tony and Cap against Thanos in Endgame (not the actual massive final battle), and don't get me started on the Netflix shows.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#123705: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:30:27 PM

If there is a hypothetical champions theme, the Avengers wouldn't have much to do with them in general. The Champions formed because of how the avengers sucked at their job, and they had a greater focus on helping kids in need than the usual crime fighting stuff. Out of all the big teams, they're the least focused on the supervillain stuff, so they'd stand out in the MCU and not step on the Young Avengers' toes.

In comics canon, the older heroes pretty much ignored or were callous at Spider-Man when he still was a boy

That's because he's a super bad team player. He fought the fantastic four instantly because they wouldn't let him join. He wasn't some innocent child. That's why it took forever for him to join the avengers. Also, Peter was assumed to be much older than he was by everyone.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#123706: Dec 11th 2020 at 6:48:51 PM

Both parts of the final Endgame battle— the three-on-one and the massive army-vs-army clash —are definitely up there for me, as is the battle on Titan.

For lower-key choices I quite like the freeway fight with the Winter Soldier from his eponymous film, the car chase fight from Ant-Man and the Wasp, and the Guardians of the Galaxy vs. the Abilisk.

I'm a sucker for flashy fight scenes in general, though. I'd be hard-pressed to name one I didn't like.

If we include the Netflix shows then pretty much every single fight scene from Daredevil, the amusement park fight between Punisher and Russo, and the hallway fight from Defenders' third episode.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Dec 11th 2020 at 9:51:01 AM

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LucyVega23 from Mexico Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#123707: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:01:31 PM

Xochitl Gomez is Miss America in Doctor Strange 2

I don't know what age is Miss America in the comics, but the actress seems too young (14) to play her. However, I believe is because a) she's not Miss America in that she has yet developed her powers or b) they want to emphasize "young" in Young Avengers. I definitely hope they're not doing it as an excuse to hide the fact she's a lesbian ("The Eternals" has a gay superhero). I don't know if somebody else had already posted this and if it does I apologize.

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#123708: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:03:15 PM

I mean, I've wanted them to adapt the Power Pack for a long time now, a team of child superheroes, and I think older versions of Julie Powers are either canonically bisexual or lesbian. On the topic of young characters who aren't straight. My point is that she can be a lesbian at the age of 14, just be fairly innocent about it.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 11th 2020 at 8:04:23 AM

LucyVega23 from Mexico Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#123709: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:12:17 PM

I know that. What I was trying to say is that I'm seeing a small percent of people on Tumblr (god I really need to stop visiting there) where they're already complaining about her being young and other "inaccuracies".

Edited by LucyVega23 on Dec 11th 2020 at 7:27:51 AM

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#123710: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:18:14 PM

[up][up] No one's denying that, but it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility for Disney to use it as an excuse to completely ignore it.

Hell, I'm actually expecting it. Because, well, it's Disney!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#123711: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:19:15 PM

She better punch a portal.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#123712: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:23:33 PM

So, do you think we'll see America once in Doctor Strange and then she'll go to some Disney+ series, or she'll be recurring in movies?

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LucyVega23 from Mexico Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#123713: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:26:30 PM

From what I read she'll have her own TV series in Disney+, so I guess if she doesn't mention her sexuality in the movie, she'll mention in the series.

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#123714: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:26:35 PM

She's a fairly crossover friendly character (the portals help that, obviously), so I expect she'd start out guest starring in other series then jump to her own series if she becomes popular.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#123715: Dec 11th 2020 at 7:30:49 PM

[up]×8

We were talking about that a few pages ago.

Ultimately i don't think it will affect her orientation.

and I think older versions of Julie Powers are either canonically bisexual or lesbian.

Julie's bisexual.

Edited by Cortez on Dec 11th 2020 at 11:32:17 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123716: Dec 12th 2020 at 6:47:58 AM

I organize works in a franchise by its villains. Why? I don't know. It was a thing I did when I was a kid, and I guess I never grew out of it. It actually is helpful for remembering the various plots—after all, a majority of the story is driven by trying to stop the Evil Plan, so if you have even a partial memory of who the Big Bad was and what they were trying to do, you're about halfway done reconstructing the story arc.

Anyways, I decided to take a look at all the new shows and movies announced and give my two cents on who the Big Bad might be for each. Because fuck it, why not?

     2021 
  • WandaVision: No fucking clue. "Agnes," Kathryn Hahn's character, has been rumored to be Agatha Harkness and definitely seems malevolent, but the huge case of Adaptational Villainy that brings makes me doubt it. The two most likely possibilities are either whoever the Big Bad of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is, or a case of No Antagonist, with Wanda's grief fucking up reality (possibly still being influenced by the former).
  • The Falcon and the Winter Soldier: Zemo, USAgent, and Flag-Smasher (most likely Erin Kellyman from the trailer, or at least her boss) are all in the series. Zemo seems like he's just getting dragged into this mess, and given the time at which the show was supposed to be released I'm pretty sure the more Nationalistic villain will turn out to be worse than the Anarchists.
  • Black Widow: Taskmaster. No contest.
  • Loki: Also no fucking clue. The TVA looks like they may have some backing from Kang, but I doubt he'll show up so soon. If that woman everyone is thinking is Nat turns out to not be the case, I could see her being the Enchantress. I'm 90% sure Richard E. Grant is King Loki. I've also heard rumors of the Squadron Supreme showing up, but they don't seem like they'd fit with the "mysterious cloaked figure in black'' thing.
  • What If... ?: An anthology series, but at least one episode centered on Doctor Strange is probably going to be relevant to Multiverse of Madness, so fuck it. I could see either the Hunger Gospel (Marvel Zombies); that evil Doctor Strange either behind this iteration of the Gospel, working for the Multiverse Big Bad, or both; or just the Multiverse Big Bad outright.
  • Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings: The Mandarin, though Fin Fang Foom is also rumored to show up. He could either be a weapon the Mandarin wants to release or his boss (similar to how Dormammu and the Supreme Intelligence were technically the lead villains but had about 5 minutes of screentime combined).
  • Eternals: Druig is stated to be the leader of the Deviants, but the appearance of Kro (their usual leader) makes it seem likely he'll be The Starscream. Additionally, the Deviants might just be Disc One Final Bosses to the Celestials, or at least one evil one. Maybe the Dreaming Celestial?
  • Ms. Marvel: I'm relatively certain that Rish Shah is playing Kamran, which is a shame. I was holding out for the Inventor. sad
  • Hawkeye: The proper Giulietta Nefaria incarnation of Madame Masque, most likely Kate's mother. The Swordsman and the Clown will also be appearing.
  • Spider-Man 3: Kraven and Scorpion seemed the most likely, though the multiverse stuff throws that into question. It's still possible: Kraven could be hunting the Spider-Men of the multiverse, while Scorpion takes his assumed role of trying to bring Peter to "justice."

    Other Stuff 
  • Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: Mordo is confirmed to appear, but is also stated to unleash "unspeakable evils." Scott Derrickson's Nightmare-boner is well known, but I'm hoping for Shuma-Gorath.
  • Thor: Love and Thunder: Christian Bale is confirmed as Gorr the God-Butcher.
  • Black Panther II: Achebe seems most likely, though Namor is also a popular choice.
  • Captain Marvel 2: If the Supreme Intelligence hasn't been dealt with yet, I'm just going to guess Moonstone.
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3: Most likely the Magus—I don't see Ayesha stepping out of Big Bad Wannabe territory, and I doubt Adam Warlock will stay evil for long.
  • Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania: Jonathan Majors is confirmed as Kang the Conqueror, though I'm hoping he'll be a secondary villain to MODOK or Eric O'Grady, and play a larger part in Young Avengers
  • She-Hulk: Titania is being cast, though the Leader or Red-Hulk would be more likely—at least for a first season.
  • Secret Invasion: We know barely anything about it, but given the context of the title I'll just say Veranke for now.
  • Armor Wars: I'd be very surprised if Justin Hammer didn't show up. Less so if he shows up and gets screwed over by Sasha or Justine, though him Taking a Level in Badass would be pretty cool.
  • Don't have enough details/prior knowledge to comment on Blade, Fantastic Four, Moon Knight, and Ironheart.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 12th 2020 at 5:09:49 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123717: Dec 12th 2020 at 7:51:57 AM

Some of you guys might have noticed it by now, but it looks like all the social media pages for Fant4stic (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram) have been repurposed to serve as the social media pages for Marvel Studios' Fantastic Four reboot. GOOD. evil grin

Plus, that room with the three heads we saw in the Loki trailer was thought to be the Council of Kangs, but the three giant heads look to be the Time-Keepers.

I still can't believe we're getting Kang and the F4 in a few years' time. Those former Fox execs must be frothing by now... evil grin

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#123718: Dec 12th 2020 at 7:54:58 AM

Richards!

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#123720: Dec 12th 2020 at 8:42:13 AM

Alllot of people were wondering why Marvel wasn't putting their films on Disney+ the way WB was. Now we know, they didn't need to they got plenty in the pipeline to keep content up on the streaming side so they have more breathing room to play with possible streaming on the films down the line.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123721: Dec 12th 2020 at 12:43:13 PM

The confirmation that Bale actually is playing Gorr is interesting since how is gonna play out.

Gorr’s storyline in the comics is essentially the Gods suck & another worthy story for Thor, neither of which can actually be done since Gods aren’t really a major thing & we already went through worthy stories.

They could just play up Gorr being an insane serial killer & not give him much of a point.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123722: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:27:06 PM

[up] I imagine they're more concerned about establishing Jane!Thor than they are Gorr. Like, I would heavily doubt Waititi et. al. go into the whole 3 timelines aspect of the run from which Gorr originates, for example, because that would trade off with developing Jane's situation since we last saw her in Dark World.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#123723: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:36:01 PM

Yeah. Thor did have another enemy with a penchant for God killing though: Desak the God Slayer, who's story is quite similar to Gorr (though he focused entirely on Gods, and could apparently be reasoned with, while God just killed any gods for being Gods and their followers as well), meaning the two could probably be easily combined into one character, perhaps as way to work around some of the issues with Gorr's character.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#123724: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:37:13 PM

Gorr is basically Kratos.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#123725: Dec 12th 2020 at 1:38:16 PM

Maybe Gorr will be someone who always wanted to kill the gods, but never really could before. But now that the gods have been whittled down to just one dude, he figures, "Hey, if I kill Thor now, I can technically say I've killed all the gods."


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