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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123576: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:29:27 PM

Reminder they can always bring in Casper Cole, the 2nd Black Panther.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#123577: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:34:47 PM

Other reactions to the new announcements:

- WandaVision and Falcon and Winter Soldier: Already was super excited for these, and its great to actually have release dates for them. In a Covidless world, we'd've had them by now, but, hey, 2020's a bitch.

- Loki and Ms. Marvel: Again, was already hyped for these, but it's cool to actually see something from them.

- What If?: I'm liking how the animation looks (sorta reminds me of RWBY in a way), and the depiction of Uatu as a mysterious starry-looking figure is neat. Also Jeffery Wright's badass voice is going to be awesome to hear narration in.

- Secret Invasion: Would've honestly liked to see this as a multi-movie arc, but I'm game for a TV show. I'm guessing this was the Nick Fury show that was rumored a while back.

- Armor Wars: Figured Rhodey would get a show eventually, and based on one of my favorite Iron Man arcs. Neat!

- Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania: First thought: title sounds like a wrestling movie. So Kang really is the bad guy, huh? Gotta admit, I'd thought they'd save him for Avengers 5 or something.

- Thor: Love and Thunder: Bale's playing Gorr? I Knew It!

- Fantastic Four: Didn't expect to get confirmation on them this early, but I've gotta say: 'bout fucking time! And Jon Watts is helming it? Does that mean we finally get to see the famous Spidey/Torch bromance on-screen? No matter what, this'll definitely be better than anything Fox ever tried with them, at least.

- Ironheart: Okay, honestly never been a fan of the character (I find her way too insufferable and annoying), but I'll keep an open mind here. I trust Feige and Co.

- Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special: Why the hell not? If Gunn's involved, this'll definitely be special.

- Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: I figured America Chavez would be involved in this. And apparently it'll be connected to Spider-Man 3, which is apparently just Maguire vs Garfield vs Holland? That's pretty cool.

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#123578: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:37:23 PM

Antman and the Wasp: By the quantumania, for the quantumania.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123579: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:41:06 PM

Oh right both Rhodey and Riri are getting their own shows.

Dang now thats spin-offing.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#123580: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:42:24 PM

I'm actually really hyped about Armor Wars, Ironheart, and Secret Invasion. Like, maybe more so than some of the shows we've known about for a while.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123581: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:45:05 PM

Ironheart really is going to need a once over from the MCU writers to work. Especially given how Bendis wrote her.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123582: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:47:31 PM

Couple other thoughts:

The sizzle real for Ms. Marvel made me smile, and it was nice seeing recreations of scenes from the comic.

I didn't realize initially that an actress was already cast for Riri. That's cool.

The Rhodey show sounds cool too and I like the suggestion of someone on Reddit that it might reintroduce Justin Hammer, and be a potential lead-in to Thunderbolts.

Also, I think it works well to do "classic Tony Stark stories" with other characters (i.e. Howard Stark in Agent Carter), not just because Tony is deceased at this point but also because he operated at a larger scale than necessarily fits those stories. And it's not just a Tony Stark thing. Peggy Carter herself did classic Nick Fury kind of stories, because she's operating at a scale that is more akin to classic Fury (Tuxedo and Martini tv show spy) than the Fury of the MCU (head of an N.G.O. Superpower).

Lastly, I love the buddy cop dynamic in the Falcon and Winter Soldier show.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 10th 2020 at 8:47:44 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123583: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:50:53 PM

[up]x2 It's my understanding that other writers have done better by Riri than Bendis did, so it's not like they'll be working from scratch.

Personally, I'm most excited for What If and Wanda Vision, since those seem to be the projects that'll be more experimental and out there. Will definitely watch the rest, though.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123584: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:50:54 PM

Wait Riri's already been cast? Who is it?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123585: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:52:30 PM

[up] Dominuque Thorne. Haven't seen her in anything, but I trust Marvel's casting.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123586: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:53:47 PM

Riri’s Eve Ewing run was pretty good, and I expect her to get more runs in the comics soon too baseball on this announcement.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123587: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:53:51 PM

The post Bendis Ironheart series was pretty okay

I didn’t read the Bendis one so I can’t compare it though

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#123588: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:56:47 PM

It's so weird that we're getting Armour Wars without Tony....but I guess it does work.

Keeping his tech from being misused was literally the reason he became Iron Man. And with him dead, it's only natural that tight grip he kept on it would loosen. So Rhodey heads out to keep that positive part of Tony's legacy—his desire to keep his tech from being made into weapons again—alive.

I like it. It keeps the spirit of the original arc while still going to new places.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#123589: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:56:49 PM

I will ask this, is clear that with Tony dead, whatever rouge gallery left will go to ironheart and maybe spidy.

what other villian ironman have a this point?.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123590: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:57:40 PM

To be fair to the character, she was created by post-2010 Bendis where I think he wrote her as really arrogant but also without impeding flaws.

Rarely anything he has made this decade is good. The man has gotten way sloppy.

[up] There's Living Laser.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 10th 2020 at 6:58:42 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123591: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:57:48 PM

what other villian ironman have a this point?.

Whoever he insulted this time in like the five minutes they interacted. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 10th 2020 at 6:58:30 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#123592: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:58:24 PM

[up][up][up]The kids of Stane and Hammer? Fin Fang Foom?

Edited by Blueace on Dec 10th 2020 at 11:58:44 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123593: Dec 10th 2020 at 6:59:07 PM

He insulted damn near everyone constantly actually

So in that light he has an impressively low ratio of petty offenses driving people into supervillainy

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123594: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:00:20 PM

[up]x5 Thinking on it:

  • Iron Man 1 has Obadiah Stane/Iron Monger

  • Iron Man 2 has Ivan Vanko/Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo-analogue and Justin Hammer

  • Iron Man 3 has the (false) Mandarin, AIM and Extremis enhanciles

  • Ant-Man and the Wasp has (a very different version of) Ghost

Off the top of my head, there's Ultimo (a giant robot), Ezekiel Stane (Obadiah's son) and the true Mandarin. Probably some others I'm not familiar with.

Omega [nja]'d

Edited by Aleistar on Dec 10th 2020 at 10:00:44 AM

ClancyGardener life is a state of mind from 53 miles west of Venus Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123596: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:01:46 PM

[up][up]Mandarin is in the Shang-Chi movie, taking the Fu Manchu/Zheng Zhu role.

Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 10th 2020 at 7:01:56 AM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#123597: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:02:44 PM

[up]Just about to say the same thing. Also, I remember Blizzard was on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., don't know who else might have been.

Edited by lbssb on Dec 10th 2020 at 7:04:58 AM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123599: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:05:23 PM

Lengthy list here, including some that have already appeared/been mentioned.

I wasn't familiar with the name before, but there's a Detroit Steel Armor associated with Justin(e) Hammer that's basically an "America Fuck Yeah" (evil) counterpart to Iron Man the same way that US Agent and Burnside!Cap are to Captain America.

Whether the operator of the suit was Hammer himself (or herself) or a semi-sympathetic Unwitting Pawn, that would be a good antagonist to Rhoadey and/or Riri.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 10th 2020 at 9:05:51 AM

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#123600: Dec 10th 2020 at 7:07:51 PM

He insulted damn near everyone constantly actually

So in that light he has an impressively low ratio of petty offenses driving people into supervillainy

Huh, you're right. Maybe we got the causality of the "people becoming supervillains after Tony Stark insulted them" thing backwards. Maybe an individual Tony Stark insult isn't more likely to spark supervillainy, maybe it's just that Tony Stark has offended enough people that it was statistically likely for a few of them to become supervillains.


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