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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123501: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:06:57 PM

Both Scarecrows even briefly teamed up back in the nineties in the Marvel vs. DC miniseries.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#123502: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:11:51 PM

He's actually a fairly distinct character aside from the Scarecrow and fear motif. DC's Scarecrow is a chemical-based terrorist trying to prove some kind of philosophical take on the nature of fear by way of his crimes, and subsequently tends to be more of a cerebral foe who falls easily in a fistight. Marvel Scarecrow walks the same Psycho for Hire line as Bullseye (i.e he goes back and forth between being a hitman and a serial killer in M.O) with control over a murder of crows and is primarily a extremely physical threat shown as nightmarishly tough to put down due his physical dexterity and occasional magical enhancements. His motivations aren't anywhere near as high minded as DC's Scarecrow: he's just there for the thrill of scaring and murdering people with a shitload of crows that are his calling card (yes, he literally has a flock of trained murderous crows or controls them, don't question it).

Basically DC's Scarecrow is the brains, Marvel's the brawn.

He was also a boss in the PS 2 Ghost Rider game and his theme was sick:

Edited by Gaon on Dec 9th 2020 at 6:35:00 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123503: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:24:19 PM

The real Marvel rip-off of Scarecrow is Mister Fear.

I think, visuals aside, Marvel's Scarecrow was meant to be a rip on Ragdoll.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 9th 2020 at 6:26:30 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123504: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:25:09 PM

(yes, he literally has a flock of trained murderous crows or controls them, don't question it).

Has he ever gone up against the Falcon?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#123505: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:31:21 PM

Mr. Fear in his original Zoltan Drago incarnation however is pretty close to Scarecrow's shtick (chemist with a fear-based ideological drive to commit crimes), although funnily I've read that Mr. Fear started using a fear gas before Scarecrow did.

The character was pretty successfuly rehabilitated (and differentiated from Scarecrow) with the Larry Cranston incarnation of the character, who's A) not a chemist B) not really ideological, more driven by sheer dickish selfishness allá Kilgrave/Purple Man C) more complex abilities rather than just induce fear (he employs variations of the chemical that allow people to lose their fear or changes their fear entrely, making his shtick more of a fear-based mind control thing). The immortal Ed Brubaker Daredevil arc called "Without Fear" made him a respectable foe.

[up] Not to my knowledge, curiously.

Edited by Gaon on Dec 9th 2020 at 6:34:17 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123506: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:33:36 PM

[up][up][up] Link doesn't work bro.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123507: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:35:35 PM

[up][up][up]Yes, the bio link in the last page shows a mention of a battle between the two.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
#123508: Dec 9th 2020 at 6:48:01 PM

Just a random thought.

Looking at COVID-19 and what it did to the cinemas worldwide, MCU Phase 3 ended at the perfect timing.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123509: Dec 9th 2020 at 7:00:11 PM

I said it in another thread, had covid-19 hit Endgame, the MCU would have received a critical hit in profitability.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#123510: Dec 9th 2020 at 7:06:04 PM

Disney in general managed to have a incredibly lucky timing. Aside from Endgame They also launched Disney Plus the year before and got a headstart on the straming business just before the end. HBO Max meanwhile was kneecapped by launching in 2020 proper.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123511: Dec 9th 2020 at 7:06:59 PM

Even their show development hasn't been completely crippled as they managed to launch Mando season 2 & will be able to get Wandavision out the door next month.

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#123512: Dec 9th 2020 at 7:37:50 PM

[up][up][up][up] Oh, that observation has been made before plenty.

Endgame itself has a few doses of eerie Harsher in Hindsight, like when Cap is talking animals being more commin with less humans about.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#123513: Dec 10th 2020 at 2:42:29 AM

Talking about the Marvel Scarecrow makes me want a Ghost Rider movie/show that just totally doubles down on the really wild shit, the Jason Aaron run level weirdness. Wars in Heaven, massive demons, fallen Angels, multiple Ghost Riders with Ghost elephants or chariots and stuff. Just go mental.

And you could totally just toss Nic Cage back in there and it would make sense.

Edited by jakobitis on Dec 10th 2020 at 10:43:07 AM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#123515: Dec 10th 2020 at 5:36:24 AM

If we're talking about cameos that will probably happen in Spider-Man Homesomething, I feel like Bruce Campbell as Mysterio is likely going to happen at the beginning since this feels like it'll connect somewhat to Sam Raimi's Doctor Strange movie.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#123517: Dec 10th 2020 at 2:51:34 PM

At today's investors meeting, Disney announced 10 new Marvel series for the next couple of years.

Xiphoniii Cheeky son of a.... from Florida Since: Aug, 2009
Cheeky son of a....
#123518: Dec 10th 2020 at 2:56:15 PM

New as in new MCU tv announcements? Or are they including the handful of already announced shows, animated projects, etc?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#123520: Dec 10th 2020 at 4:46:39 PM

Edited by comicwriter on Dec 10th 2020 at 4:47:01 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#123523: Dec 10th 2020 at 4:53:38 PM

I love the reference to Loki as a presidential candidate.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123524: Dec 10th 2020 at 4:54:32 PM

> A new Ice Age movie.

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS.


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