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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#123426: Dec 8th 2020 at 12:50:32 PM

[up] So Dusnt is a lock as Mary Jane, but Toby's still in negotiations? Bit weird, if he says no, she may have to take his place as Spinerrett as something.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#123427: Dec 8th 2020 at 12:50:44 PM

Alfred Molina was amazing as Doc Ock so regardless of whether it's a multiverse film or just "coincidental" casting like J.K. Simmons reprising J.J.J., I'm happy with that.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123428: Dec 8th 2020 at 12:52:43 PM

I’m wary of the multiverse theorists mostly because they remind me a lot of what the Star Wars fanbase looked like before TLJ - the same staunch expectation of a theory that when looking straight never seemed likely, amped up by the media and misinformation - and I’d rather not see the MCU get the same explosive backlash if fans don’t see what they’ve collectively decided they’re going to.

[up][up][up] For instance, Marvel already confirmed months ago that Garfield and Tobey weren’t actually in the film.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 8th 2020 at 12:55:22 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123429: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:02:40 PM

The Collider article doesn't actually confirm that any of the old actors besides Molina are back. It's just speculation.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#123430: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:07:29 PM

I'm all for Javier Bardem as Kraven. His super intense nature gels pretty well with Kraven's obsession with the thrill of the hunt.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123431: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:14:25 PM

Huh so that’s Vulture, Mysterio, Scorpion, Electro, & Dr Ock for a potential Sinister Six.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#123432: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:15:48 PM

>Marvel already confirmed months ago that Garfield and Tobey weren’t actually in the film<

Ah yes, big company known for springing surprises can't possibly be...I don't know...lying to cover their ass could they?

Cope harder pal.

Edited by Zarius on Dec 8th 2020 at 1:16:09 AM

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#123433: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:17:00 PM

[up]Okay, even as someone who thinks that the multiverse is obvious from both casting choices and contextual clues regarding the Marvel-Sony relationship, that seems unnecessarily confrontational and rude.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#123435: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:33:18 PM

[up]x3 I do agree with you, they've lied before, but I also agree no need to be so confrontational.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123436: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:38:11 PM

The Collider article doesn't actually confirm that any of the old actors besides Molina are back. It's just speculation.

Even if they don't do with Dunst specifically, it does try to say for sure that Tobey and Garfield are back and that the film is definitely going to be Spider-Verse.

Either way, it's clearly baiting.

Ah yes, big company known for springing surprises can't possibly be...I don't know...lying to cover their ass could they?

Cope harder pal.

Assuming someone is lying with no evidence is even less reasonable than assuming they're telling the truth with no corroboration.

"Well, they said this. But they're a corporation, so they're probably lying. Ergo, my fan theory is 100% correct" doesn't make an awful lot of sense as anything other than a justification to keep clinging onto a fan theory.

Especially when the people claiming to have this insider information that the studios don't want you do know have been contradicted multiple times on a vast variety of subjects. The people claiming that Tobey and Garfield were in, especially, were websites well known for spreading false clickbait rumors under the bracket of "news."

Even given that a broken clock is right twice a day, you should never trust We Got It Covered or its corroborators more than the people telling you that they're full of shit.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 8th 2020 at 1:47:33 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#123437: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:46:36 PM

My own theory is that Peter will end up visiting the various alternate spider-verses rather than the characters appearing in the "main" Sony/MCU (due to shenanigans about his secret I.D.). That way it's not a complete redoing of the animated Spider-verse movie.

That said, if they are somehow bringing back the various versions of cinematic Spider-villains, just hand Willem Dafoe a blank cheque if that's what it takes to get him back as the Green Goblin.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123438: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:47:30 PM

Shit bringing in Goblin as well would make this the ultimate SS.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123439: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:48:17 PM

I want them to save Goblin for an adaptation of Dark Reign. It would let them use Norman as a Big Bad without doing the Goblin plot we all know at this point.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123440: Dec 8th 2020 at 1:53:21 PM

Hey he could even appropriate Rhodey's Iron Patriot identity.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#123441: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:00:29 PM

A Dark reign storyline would require synergy with the MCU, given that Norman becomes president, and well after this third film we might not be getting much of that.

Edited by jjjj2 on Dec 8th 2020 at 5:00:35 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123442: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:02:35 PM

True enough. I'm hoping the Spidey deal keeps going, though. It requires both companies to get along and not try to screw each other over fiscally (something they've proven is difficult for them), though.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 8th 2020 at 2:02:52 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#123443: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:11:18 PM

Norman doesn't exactly become President. More like he was given the reins of national security and power over the superhuman community. Lex Luthor is President Supervillain.

Edited by Blueace on Dec 8th 2020 at 7:11:57 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123444: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:12:05 PM

Kingpin does become mayor of New York though.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123445: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:18:09 PM

My own theory is that Peter will end up visiting the various alternate spider-verses rather than the characters appearing in the "main" Sony/MCU (due to shenanigans about his secret I.D.). That way it's not a complete redoing of the animated Spider-verse movie.

. . .

That's actually not a bad idea. Maybe save the multiverse jumping for the third act when all the crud hits the fan?

That said, if they are somehow bringing back the various versions of cinematic Spider-villains, just hand Willem Dafoe a blank cheque if that's what it takes to get him back as the Green Goblin.

I mean, Doc Ock and Electro had crazy ass deaths that could get retconned into getting dimensionally-warped. Goblin died from a glider to the ribcage.

My money's still on rebooted MCU selves.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#123446: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:18:37 PM

Alright, news time. Okay, Alfred Molina was great as Doc Ock, no doubt, but a growing fear I have is that this movie might be a bit too pre-occupied with these Role Reprisal s to sufficiently follow up on Far From Home's mid-credits scene. I'm just worried this might spiral into a clickbait website's wet dream. Granted the MCU and the Spider-Man stuff we've got is much better and more consistent with its quality so maybe I'm worrying for nothing.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#123447: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:22:30 PM

meanwhile,I'm over here thinking about the Cloning Saga

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123448: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:24:28 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sony-Marvel deal extension only lasts for one more movie right? So after this upcoming one, they would have to renegotiate for further appearances in the MCU.

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#123449: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:28:38 PM

Norman doesn't exactly become President. More like he was given the reins of national security and power over the superhuman community. Lex Luthor is President Supervillain.

Yes it seems I got that wrong after scanning Dark Reign's Wikipedia page, still I maintain it would require synergy with the MCU given that he would have a huge amount of power in the superhero community. And you know it's an adaptation, so he could become president. Still I really do hope they repair bridges instead of pettily keeping them broken.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#123450: Dec 8th 2020 at 2:31:54 PM

[up][up] The deal is for one more Spidey solo film (this upcoming one) and one crossover film/appearance in another MCU heroes film. Then they have to renegotiate the deal.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 8th 2020 at 4:33:29 AM

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