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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#123326: Dec 4th 2020 at 11:17:29 AM

I can't remember: with all the organized crime groups that showed up in the Netflix series, were any of them ever referred to as the Maggia?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#123327: Dec 4th 2020 at 11:26:29 AM

Maggia = Mafia,it's what the comics called them to avoid reprisals apparently

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123328: Dec 4th 2020 at 11:49:24 AM

Not quite. The Maggia as an organization is, essentially, Supervillain Organized Crime: a bunch of people with crazy supertech who trade crazy supertech with other criminals, and occasionally try to take over the world, led by a dude who shoots lasers out of his chest. Think Vulture's organization in Homecoming, but an actually well run syndicate that operates on a global scale.

The best adaptation of it I think we've ween outside of the comics is - ironically - something that wasn't referred to as The Maggia at all: Kingpin's organization in the 90's Spider-Man show, which had a bit of Composite Character to it.

Most other adaptations just literally make the Maggia the real life Mafia (including its inclusion in Agent Carter), which means we've never gotten a real adaptation of the group. I'm hoping if Madame Masque does show up, it leads to an adaptation of Count Nefaria and we actually get to see them for once.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 4th 2020 at 11:52:06 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123329: Dec 4th 2020 at 11:54:11 AM

[up]You need a film or Disney+ budget to do Nefaria properly, especially if he fights an equal heavy hitter.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123330: Dec 4th 2020 at 11:58:24 AM

Agents of Shield didn't need that for Graviton, and he's far more FX intensive than Nefaria is.

Also: this is a Disney+ series, isn't it?

Not to mention, introducing the Maggia in this series doesn't mean it and all of its members have to be limited to this series in the first place.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 4th 2020 at 11:59:45 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123331: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:04:30 PM

[up]True.

The question now is if they do put him in the Disney+ shows, who looks the best fighting evil Superman?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#123332: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:07:43 PM

Ironically, the best medium that's handled the Iron Man villains (including the MCU) in my opinion has been Iron Man: Armored Adventures.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#123333: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:13:45 PM

So apparently Letitia Wright (Shuri, ostensibly next in line to be Black Panther) is an anti-vaxxer: https://variety.com/2020/film/global/black-panther-letitia-wright-anti-vax-video-1234846206/

Makes me wonder if now they'll reconsider just re-casting T'Challa. Then again, Gina Carano is a transphobe and die-hard Trump supporter, yet her Mandalorian character is as popular as ever, so who knows?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#123334: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:15:40 PM

Already been posted dood

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#123335: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:26:58 PM

Didn't know. Got thumped twice for it anyway. Am I meant to read every previous page to make sure the topic hasn't already been talked about?

This is why I don't post here very much. Everyone jumps on you for the littlest mistake. I should stick to being a viewer, not a participant

Edited by MrHellboy on Dec 4th 2020 at 2:27:53 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#123336: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:31:54 PM

It was like,a page ago

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Goku Black
#123337: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:42:00 PM

@Weird: Oh yeah. Lazer and Masque were pretty tragic, we had badass as hell villains like Ghost. Series is underrated imo.

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#123338: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:42:59 PM

Shoots lasers out of his chest is a bit of an understatement

Count Nefaria often tends to be Evil Superman

Or one of the many that Marvel has, anyway. For reasons, maybe because he was defeated by old man nihilism once, he’s not well regarded in the very limited field of “marvel’s evil supermen”

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123339: Dec 4th 2020 at 1:45:14 PM

[up][up][up][up] No one's jumping on you, just that the news has been mentioned yesterday which is no bad mistake or anything.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#123340: Dec 4th 2020 at 2:34:06 PM

I got thumped not once but twice. A little excessive IMO

Like I said, I'm done commenting for a while. It's just not worth it

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123341: Dec 4th 2020 at 2:36:05 PM

I'm not really sure why you got thumped twice for that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123342: Dec 4th 2020 at 2:39:14 PM

There's also the troubling history of experimental drugs being used and tested on the non-white members of the population which led to the fertility crisis in Puerto Rico several years ago amongst other incidents I believe. Don't get me wrong, I find her stance incredibly fucking stupid, but for once I can KIND OF see where she may be coming from on top of the fact that no matter what, Early vaccines will definetly have some unknown side-effects that will need ironing.

Yeah, while vaccines sound like a godsend in theory, there's always going to be hiccups. My friend recalls how the earliest flu vaccines were super experimental. (And they're Cuban Hispanic.) And yes, Ms. Wright was most definitely being irresponsible about this matter

In any case, I was ALWAYS in support of recasting BP so this changes little to nothing for me.

All right, I was afraid of saying it here, but I was preferring the "recasting BP" scenario from the start, too.

In other news, photo evidence heavily implies that the Hawkeye series is set somewhere in the holiday season of 2024 or the new year of 2025, meaning it's taking place after Spider-Man: Far From Home.

Also, fun fact about Echo: she started off as a ward to one WILSON FISK. Could we see nods to the Man Without Fear soon eno-(*dopes slaps himself*) Never mind, might be too early...tongue

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 4th 2020 at 3:26:17 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123343: Dec 4th 2020 at 3:01:12 PM

I too have always though it made more sense to recast BP, but at this point I don't care much for recasting for having deplorable views.

So many actors and these days have been revealed to believe negative things these days, that the need to course correct and hatchet up series to keep only actors who won't humiliate themselves on social media attached is getting to be a real inconvenience to stories. As long as they're not actively harming anyone, I say just hold them accountable for their idiocy but don't let it affect the film itself.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 4th 2020 at 3:02:02 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#123344: Dec 4th 2020 at 3:05:51 PM

Yeah, I mean, you can't really outlaw idiocy, sadly.

As long as they are not actively spreading hate or commit crimes.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#123345: Dec 4th 2020 at 4:35:06 PM

[up]She is actively spreading disinformation though.

That's how we know about this in the first place.

We shouldn't pretend that this isn't something dangerous even if it's not an outright hate crime.

And considering she also apparently posted some transphobic and Qanon related bullshit, the "not an outright hate crime" part is debatable.

Edited by M84 on Dec 4th 2020 at 8:46:35 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123346: Dec 4th 2020 at 4:52:45 PM

Okay so she's a cultist too.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123347: Dec 4th 2020 at 5:11:38 PM

It's always a gradual advance towards a gray area. At some point, sooner or later, you get to an area where blacklisting someone is either retaliation over different sociopolitical views or a justified reaction according to perspective. It's always been that way no matter what the dominant cultural standard at the time is.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Dec 4th 2020 at 5:12:05 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123348: Dec 4th 2020 at 5:24:15 PM

Couple of non-Letitia notes:

It was really wonderful to see the Hawkeye set photos. And cool that they cast Swordsman. And I agree, Vera Familigia (spelling?) really looks like Madame Masque. And although it is just from photos, I can oddly buy Renner as Classic!Hawkeye now instead of Ultimate!Hawkeye.

Also, since I like to make fun of Hawkeye's arc in Endgame, my prediction/hope is that the change will be explained as his personal life falling apart due to his time as Ronin, with the result that Clint reinvents himself as a seemingly bumbling sad sack who never kills.

And on a random note, I am really hoping that Moon Knight will be Jewish on the show and I intermittently get preemptively mildly angry that he probably won't be.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 4th 2020 at 7:24:44 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#123349: Dec 4th 2020 at 6:56:05 PM

I'm not sure if Marc is actually ethnically Jewish in the comics.

And he's definitely not practicing as an adult.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123350: Dec 4th 2020 at 6:59:56 PM

I honestly have never read a Moon Knight comic, but I'm aware that his father is a Rabbi, so probably.

And Spector is a commonish Ashkenazi Jewish name (while also being a clever Meaningful Name).

But since the show's director is Egyptian and I believe one of the announced cast members is also, I kind of suspect he'll be a Muslim or Christian Arab in the show.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 4th 2020 at 9:00:17 AM


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