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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123276: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:45:57 PM

Well that’s ironic considering she’s paying super-genius Shuri.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123278: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:10:05 PM

Welp, don’t want to see her in anything again.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123279: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:11:28 PM

Yeah. I saw she was trending on Twitter and it's really bad. She's responding to people by saying she's "just asking questions", but she posted what I understand to be some kind of religious conspiracy theory video (which is apparently also transphobic) against the COVID vaccine, and she also recently liked a post to the effect that the vaccine was some kind of Bill Gates-connected conspiracy.

I think it's all somewhat Qanon/satantic pedophiles related.

And through some of the Twitter comments, I also saw that she tweeted something right after Biden won implying that she thought prophesies about the anti-Christ were fulfilled. I don't have a frame of reference for why people got that out of what she tweeted, but if you look up "Letitia Wright antichrist" on Twitter all of the results are either praising or criticizing her for saying that Biden is the anti-Christ.

So, congratulations Chris Pratt. You are no longer the MCU actor with the worst beliefs.

Edit - Also, somewhat amusingly(?) Wright is also liking tweets that say she should be fired/Black Panther 2 should be cancelled.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 3rd 2020 at 11:12:11 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#123280: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:13:31 PM

I mean, Terrence Howard is still in the running for that. tongue

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123281: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:13:49 PM

Well there’s also Gwyneth Paltrow but that’s less beliefs & more her running a giant scamming business.

[up][up] Screw it, just revive Killmonger & make him Black Panther.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:15:00 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#123282: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:16:29 PM

Side note, but I'll never forget one Saturday Night Live episode hosted by some MCU actor (Cheadle? RDJ?) where there was a sketch making fun of Goop and presenting it as a creepy scam and cult and then Paltrow herself appeared and really came across as charming and likable for her ability to laugh at herself.

That's prime Affably Evil there.

[up] It's really disheartening. Wright previously came across well and I really wanted Shuri to be the new Panther, but now, I'm hoping for a recasting.

Edited by Hodor2 on Dec 3rd 2020 at 11:17:59 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123283: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:17:12 PM

[up][up]It does take a certain lack of brains to completely destroy your career like that.

Edited by Beatman1 on Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:17:47 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123285: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:22:41 PM

Fucking Hell, T’Challa’s dead & Shuri is played by an asshole.

What’s next, Ta-Nehesi Coates the current writer of the BP comics is revealed to be a quanon supporter?

Not a good year for the character, granted not a good year for most people.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:23:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#123286: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:44:52 PM

Well. That’s...distressing. Happens to coincide with Eric Clapton and Van Morrison putting out an anti-lockdown song. Fucking joy.

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Goku Black
#123287: Dec 3rd 2020 at 11:31:15 PM

here

Apparently she made a weird theorie that luciferase (actual protein that exhibits bioluminescence which allows changes to be detected) is related to the devil because Lucifer I guess.....

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123288: Dec 3rd 2020 at 11:57:58 PM

Okay so strictly speaking in hypotheticals, ya know for fun discussion.

How do yawl on the idea that they just bring back Michael B Jordan & resurrect/promote his character Killmonger to Black Panther MC?

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 11:58:06 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#123289: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:00:57 AM

I recall that someone once said that it's not healthy to make idols out of actors for the fictional roles they played rather than the actual persons they are. Essentially, you falling for a mask and assume it's one and the same with the actor behind the mask. Now sometimes, you may find the mask and the real face to truly be one and the same, like Chadwick Boseman. But after the days of #Me Too! and the numerous scandals that came after the initial movements, you can't assume that anymore.

I once bitterly joked that if every scandal or terrible opinion were to be unearthed and we proceed to cancel culture the people guilty of these things, nearly all of Hollywood would be out of work because these things are so ingrained into the system that it's essentially treated as normal. And by the time we realize that it's not normal, it's difficult to throw out the bad apples.

Personally, I would focus on where the misinformation is coming from since it's clear this is not one bad apple incident. One bad apple is known to spoil the bunch, so you better find the original bad apple.

[up] Well, there is the option of recasting. That's what filmmakers do when dealing with a problematic actor.

Edited by Shadao on Dec 4th 2020 at 12:03:13 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#123290: Dec 4th 2020 at 12:50:13 AM

I guess they could just argue that in the five years since Shuri got dusted and undusted, she grew up some to justify the actor change.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#123291: Dec 4th 2020 at 1:32:03 AM

I'm not sure how Killmonger could become the Black Panther while remaining true to his character

But yeah, this is a right mess for Marvel. One of their intended leads for the MCU going forward passes away, and the most logical replacement has a PR disaster.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#123292: Dec 4th 2020 at 1:32:24 AM

Drat. I really liked Shuri and Wright's portrayal of her. I had been looking forward to see her deal with T'Challa disappearance (however they integrated it).

Not a fan of Killmonger anyway. I'd rather they use Nakia or Okoye instead.

Edited by C105 on Dec 4th 2020 at 10:33:39 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123293: Dec 4th 2020 at 1:55:06 AM

So the solutions are either recasting (which has its problems), bringing in a totally new character like Casper Cole (which also has issues), or promoting a well known support character like Okoye or Killmonger (which is theoretically the easiest but support to main transition is pretty tricky).

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#123294: Dec 4th 2020 at 3:31:55 AM

I'd actually be sort of OK with Okoye taking over, as she's my favorite of the cast. But it'd be extremely difficult to justify storywise.

Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins.
#123295: Dec 4th 2020 at 3:52:02 AM

The other, more difficult solution is for Wright to give a public apology for irresponsible behavior on Twitter and admitting that she is in the wrong.

Apologies are so rare these days and we're in need of sincere apologies in this culture of refusing to take responsibility out of stubbornness and pride.

Edited by Shadao on Dec 4th 2020 at 3:52:18 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#123296: Dec 4th 2020 at 5:00:28 AM

I imagine some people being unwilling to accept apologies these days also muddles things up just a bit.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123297: Dec 4th 2020 at 5:28:24 AM

Well, this is yet another "oof" moment for several parties. But the back of my mind is sure this will all be resolved soon.

(*reads TV Tropes posts about Wright and anti-Christ/Satan mumbo jumbo*)

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Geez, now it feels like I'm hoping against hope here...sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 4th 2020 at 5:31:36 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123298: Dec 4th 2020 at 5:56:36 AM

Apparently Wright deleted the tweet sharing the video and posted this:

my intention was not to hurt anyone, my ONLY intention of posting the video was it raised my concerns with what the vaccine contains and what we are putting in our bodies. Nothing else.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123299: Dec 4th 2020 at 5:59:13 AM

Simultaneously doing damage control and digging yourself deeper. Well done.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123300: Dec 4th 2020 at 6:24:39 AM

[up][up]

On the one hand, I thank the One Above All that damage control happened posthaste.

On the other hand, her comment about the vaccine and what it might contain reminds me of something a friend of mine told me. They were worried that the COVID-19 vaccine was some way for the government to have a tighter control on us.

Closest analogy I could think of was the nanomachines in Metal Gear Solid, especially with how they were used in the second and fourth games. (Though I'm not sure my friend would agree to that analogy.)

Mind you, I don't believe my friend by any stretch of the imagination. But it does raise my paranoia by a lot...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 4th 2020 at 6:25:36 AM


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