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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123251: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:15:11 PM

Man its weird seeing a previous adaptation of the characters before it got consistently synergized to the MCU's portrayal.

Like these Guardians are just so different compared to what came later. Star-Lord is a grizzled veteran soldier & not a puckish rogue, Rocket has a Cockney accent and appears to actually respect Quill, Groot is wearing clothes, the Guardians are an actual peacekeeping force with uniforms, & there are non-movie members here.

[up] We ALMOST had Gamora and Drax in EMH, but executive meddling happened. Also, Peter Quill was voiced by Master Chief himself. How's that for a trip?

EDIT: Pagetopper. Reacted to the Guardians in Earth's Mightiest Heroes

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:16:42 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123252: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:22:15 PM

[up]x2 I hear ya. Even in the short 12 years since Iron Man Marvel has changed substantially. I think the Guardians in specific were actually taking cues from the then-recent Annihilation event, so these were also new-ish spins on old characters (I believe Groot himself is a 60s co-creator of Stan Lee).

While we're on the subject of EMH, I remember that in Kang's episodes he wanted to "restore the timeline" by taking Cap out. As I understand that's a very different motivation than in the 616 comics and also wasn't answered in the series itself. Sis the creators say what was up with that or no?

[nja]'d

Edited by Aleistar on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:22:45 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123253: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:26:55 PM

Yes

Kinda

Kang’s future timeline is destroyed SOMEHOW by Captain America being unfrozen. For whatever reason, this creates a timeline where the Kree invasion of Earth happens and the Kree rip the Sun in half

Kang’s solution was to kill Cap and take over Earth and beef up its technology to kick Kree ass

But the Avengers are able to avert Bad Future just by knowing about it and leaving Black Panther to die. Which is fine because he saves himself easily.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123254: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:31:10 PM

[up][up] I actually do have trades of the Dn A Guardians run so yeah I can confirm the EMH version is based directly off the post-Annihilation team.

The costumes are pretty much identical to what they were in the comic.

About the only difference is Adam having a badass longcoat and Gamora & Drax aren't on the team.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:31:53 AM

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#123255: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:32:57 PM

[up]x2 I understand that the ruined future was related to the Kree-Skrull war but that doesn't answer how Cap is an error in time unless he was somehow supposed to still be frozen, which I don't think was ever explained.

To tie the discussion into the MCU proper, I got the impression the time travel suits from Endgame were partially inspired by the space suits the Avengers wore in the big Kang arc of season 1.

EDIT: Also, I think the implicit explanation about how the future got ruined was that Skrull!Cap convinced Earth to surrender to the Skrulls, which put them in the Kree's crosshairs. By defeating the Secret Invasion they prevented the bad future, but it's been a while since I watched the show.

[nja]'d 2 times in a row

Edited by Aleistar on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:36:34 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123256: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:38:37 PM

Shrug, its possibly Loki's fault. Somehow. Dunno.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123257: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:45:12 PM

Heh I can't stop snickering that Star-Lord used to be more like a Master Chief.

And now he's more his movie-self which is a somewhat impotent infantile rogue. Man thats a degrade. [lol]

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#123258: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:50:23 PM

The cartoons usually try to sync with the movies for synergy. Except for Spider-Man,for some reason.

Like, the Avengers cartoon switched names every season to reflect whatever was going on in the MCU.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123259: Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:54:14 PM

I know some comics that try to smooth the characterization gap have Quill's goofus behavior an intentional choice, either to get people to underestimate him or because of the emotional toll that Annihilation, the Phalanx Conquest, the War of Kings, Cancerverse invasion, happenings on the Guardians, and having to leave Dick Rider to his death all occurring within such a short period of time inflicted on him

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:55:06 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123260: Dec 3rd 2020 at 5:00:53 PM

He has been through a lot. Hell he's outright depressive in the 2019 run, just basically giving up to the point Groot had to forcibly take command.

There's a point where death is a mercy because Quill's life is straight up exhaustive.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 5:01:03 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#123261: Dec 3rd 2020 at 5:01:40 PM

The cartoons usually try to sync with the movies for synergy. Except for Spider-Man,for some reason.

Like, the Avengers cartoon switched names every season to reflect whatever was going on in the MCU.

I remember when that resulted in Avengers Assemble basically doing the Civil War story-arc two seasons in a row.

And both story-arcs ended with the Avengers teaming up to stop Ultron. tongue

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:03:06 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123262: Dec 3rd 2020 at 5:07:37 PM

And that is among the reasons why no one likes Assemble.

Good riddance.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#123263: Dec 3rd 2020 at 5:13:30 PM

I actually kind of liked Assemble. Granted I only watched the first two seasons. So take my opinion with a grain of salt. Is it as good as Mightiest Heroes? No. But on it's own it was a fun little show.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:15:48 AM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#123265: Dec 3rd 2020 at 5:59:51 PM

Interestingly, she has the same last name as Charlie Cox.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123266: Dec 3rd 2020 at 6:10:02 PM

Assemble's still way better than United they Stand, so there's that, I suppose.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123267: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:15:35 PM

Ooooh Assemble also introduced Ant-Man early on & he was like a composite of Scott Lang with traits from Hank.

But Ant-Man is then reintroduced with Wasp to resemble the movie version entirely to the point Wasp makes mention of her tense relationship with her father & their personal video short is a straight up rip-off of the backyard training scene from the movie.

And then there's jamming in Vision with no introduction as to who he is or where he came from after Age of Ultron.

Man we are in a dark age for Marvel animation.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#123268: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:16:21 PM

Think the next batch will be good?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123269: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:18:56 PM

[up]Most of the Marvel animation projects were cancelled. Depends on how well What If does.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123270: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:19:13 PM

Is Jeph Loeb still around?

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:19:24 AM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#123271: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:20:15 PM

Nope. Got axed after Marvel TV got axed too.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123272: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:21:16 PM

Oh thank the...... I'm gonna say Living Tribunal. [tup] [awesome]

After everything Loeb has ruined and/or tainted he’s finally out.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:22:37 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123273: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:31:42 PM

[up] I'd have thanked the One Above All, but okay.

I don't want to say I hated Avengers Assemble, but it got too stale too fast for my liking. All the character models looked like they needed more shading or they sounded too sterile.

There was a fresh sense of both fun and stakes with Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I wanted to see where EMH was going and AA only made me tenuously care about the stakes.

I didn't know what was going on in Jeph Loeb's mind that made him think AA was "EMH done right" and since Nobu's actor called him a racist a while back, I REALLY don't know what was going on in his mind...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:32:16 AM

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#123274: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:43:32 PM

I'm really hoping that any future Marvel animated projects are spearheaded by DTVA as they've head a fairly strong track record making shows that are at least fun and have probably put on the best "Marvel" show under the Disney era with Big Hero Six the series.

Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#123275: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:44:15 PM

Letitia Wright is going full anti-vaxxer movement on social media, which makes me wonder if the route most people suspected for Black Panther 2 isn't gonna be the one they take(if it indeed ever was). Too bad.


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