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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123226: Dec 1st 2020 at 7:34:42 AM

Doom made a good go at outlasting Loki in King Thor and he almost got away with it

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#123227: Dec 1st 2020 at 7:42:36 AM

@Emerald Emperor: That seems fairly reasonable on terms of how to fix it honestly. I know nothing at all about the show (can't get it here in the UK) so couldn't comment much further.

Edited by jakobitis on Dec 1st 2020 at 3:43:22 PM

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123228: Dec 1st 2020 at 7:56:39 AM

The only real connections to the wider MCU are a few references to the planned Ghost Rider show, Roxxon, and... uh... a wine brand and some newspapers that were created by the other shows. Basically, easter eggs that were so small they either forgot to take them out or were just too lazy to.

Uh, question from someone who's never done this before: how would one delete the already existing character pages?

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:28:15 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123230: Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:57:41 PM

[up] (*Thor voice*) I knew it!

Glad to see it finally confirmed. Now we can officially see we have five of Into the Spider-Verse's cast in the MCU. note 

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 2nd 2020 at 1:01:42 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123232: Dec 2nd 2020 at 1:03:48 PM

[up] I spy with my little eye a certain pizza-loving doggy... waii

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123234: Dec 3rd 2020 at 7:56:09 AM

[up] You might not be able to see it, but Clint's wearing a hearing aid.

In the comics, Clint is actually deaf and needs hearing aids. How it happens sort of fluctuates. In his 1983 miniseries, he gets his eardrums wrecked by a sonic arrowhead (which he kinda did to himself to get his senses back to stop a bad guy called Crossfire, long story). In the Heroes Reborn relaunch, Clint's eardrums were restored.

However, in Matt Fraction's Hawkeye run (which the Disney+ series is getting most of its elements from), not only did Clint get his eardrums messed up when a bad guy called Clown stabbed him there, but there are even flashbacks that show he got deaf when he was a kid.

Clint's deafness still seemed to be an overlooked detail that even the MCU didn't bother with it at first. But I guess times have changed, because not only are we getting the hearing aids here, but also in the Marvel's Avengers game by Crystal Dynamics.

In any case, hooray for representation! grin

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:02:53 AM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#123235: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:07:49 AM

MCU Hawkeye was pretty much lifted wholesale from Ultimate Hawkeye, I can't remember if he was deaf/hearing impaired there

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#123236: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:17:14 AM

> hooray for representation

See I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a victory for representation I think,now if they had deaf/hard of hearing actor play Hawkeye it might be a different story.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#123237: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:20:06 AM

How often does Hawkeye being deaf come up in the comics?

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#123238: Dec 3rd 2020 at 8:22:01 AM

It came up in the Fraction run, which this show is using for inspiration. Nothing stopping them from doing more with it now.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123239: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:17:59 AM

Clint’s deafness was fairly prominent in the 60s, kinda vanished after that, but started making its return in the last few years.

I’m definitely for its inclusion, though I have mixed feelings about it being attached to an actor who tended to brush it off with ‘this is an alternate character from the purple guy in comic books’ or such, so eh.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#123240: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:30:59 AM

I still hope that Clint here is closer to his Age of Ultron depiction, rather than his Endgame one. I know that it was said this is supposed to explore his time as Ronin, but I personally hope they keep that to a minimum.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 3rd 2020 at 11:31:50 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123241: Dec 3rd 2020 at 9:46:38 AM

I don’t think Clint was deaf in the 60s

I think it was a thing from the 80s that was later undone in the 90s and redone in the 2000s

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djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
#123242: Dec 3rd 2020 at 11:21:56 AM

Hopefully they redeem themselves in the show with Maya Lopez.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#123243: Dec 3rd 2020 at 12:36:13 PM

Vera Farmiga and more have joined the cast of Hawkeye.

Farmiga will be playing Kate’s mom while Tony Dalton is playing the Swordsman. Florence Pugh will appear as Yelena Belova.

Newcomer Alaqua Cox will play Echo.

Edited by comicwriter on Dec 3rd 2020 at 12:59:06 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#123244: Dec 3rd 2020 at 12:47:21 PM

Interesting that they’ve confirmed Kate’s mother appearing first, considering she’s a relatively recent character while Kate’s father has typically played a larger role since Kate’s first appearance.

djoki996 Since: Dec, 2018
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#123246: Dec 3rd 2020 at 1:15:51 PM

And Fra Fee as someone who may be Clown, from the comics.

Tony Dalton as Swordsman is one of the best pieces of casting I've heard in a while.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123247: Dec 3rd 2020 at 1:24:59 PM

Huh Swordsman was Hawkeye's mentor & taught him everything he knows.

Wonder if we'll get a flashback to Clint's time in the circus.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123248: Dec 3rd 2020 at 1:25:39 PM

Woof. I brought up Clown in a previous post, and now there's a guy who might very well be Clown. What are the odds?

And hey! Echo! She was rumored for a while, right? And she's a friend of Daredevil's, yeah?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#123249: Dec 3rd 2020 at 2:48:52 PM

Echo's a pretty good reason to bring Clint's deafness into the plot in an organic way.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123250: Dec 3rd 2020 at 3:55:46 PM

Man its weird seeing a previous adaptation of the characters before it got consistently synergized to the MCU's portrayal.

Like these Guardians are just so different compared to what came later. Star-Lord is a grizzled veteran soldier & not a puckish rogue, Rocket has a Cockney accent and appears to actually respect Quill, Groot is wearing clothes, the Guardians are an actual peacekeeping force with uniforms, & there are non-movie members here.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2020 at 3:56:47 AM

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