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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123151: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:17:24 PM

Agh that’s gonna be something to worry about.

Especially since Eddie is trying really fucking hard to be a better person & good father.

[up][up] Plus he is relatively more trustworthy than the other villains on Krakoa. Certain honesty to him.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 29th 2020 at 9:18:06 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123152: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:21:35 PM

He doesn’t think of himself as a villain, which is another angle that one can use. “I am not malevolent! I simply AM!”

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#123153: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:37:52 PM

Wait, Apocalypse got a Heel–Face Turn? The mutant that's in love with the concept of war? That Apocalypse?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#123154: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:41:02 PM

Basically, yeah.

Since Krakoa is showing the world that mutants can be as awesome as he always thought, he's pretty much like mah work 'ere's done and letting them do their thing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123155: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:42:03 PM

He reached an alliance with Xavier.

Absolute unity among all Mutants & they shall all fight together against any threat that opposes their existence.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#123156: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:42:17 PM

Whenever Eddie reverts to being a villain, he somehow always finds a way to blame it on Spidey.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#123157: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:43:20 PM

Ah, so basically Magneto's usual excuse for turning good, gotcha.

The legend has returned.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123158: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:44:14 PM

All Apocalypse had to give up was his entire motivation. But his motivation was shitty so good job Xavier.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123159: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:44:19 PM

That’s also another case that’s stuck.

Magneto is pretty consistently an anti-hero on the X-Men’s side for decades now.

[up] Well his motive is survival of the fittest and Mutants are now the fittest.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 29th 2020 at 9:44:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#123160: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:59:20 PM

It's also why he made Hulk his horseman of war at one point even though he's not a mutant.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123161: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:02:20 PM

I don't think thats what survival of the fittest means but also nothing Apocalypse did was what survival of the fittest means either

I'm just glad he's being less of a prick.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#123162: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:04:35 PM

Here's a PSA: Survival of the Fittest is about fucking. It's about spreading your goddamn genes as far as you can so your lineage can survive. That's it.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123163: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:05:10 PM

[up]Then Krakoa and its memetic orgies fit the bill.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123164: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:05:18 PM

Well then yeah mutants might be the fittest now, what with Krakoa being the orgy island now

[up] [nja]

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 29th 2020 at 1:05:28 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#123165: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:06:55 PM

It's not just about fucking.

It's about fucking the best there is to fuck (no, not you Logan!).

I mean, nobody should settle for anything less.

One Strip! One Strip!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#123166: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:10:13 PM

Quantity, not quality, Rob.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#123167: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:16:23 PM

The problem with Apocalypse's Heel–Face Turn in the new X-Men stories is that they also give him something of a justification for his Social Darwinist bullshit. Oh no, he totally had to engage in his brutal "survival of the fittest" crap to prepare the world for a demon invasion!

Edited by M84 on Nov 30th 2020 at 2:16:35 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#123168: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:18:00 PM

I'm like 90% positive that Wolverine is absolutely the best at sex in the Marvel universe. Dude gets AROUND. Dude has gotten AROUND for a LONG time.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123169: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:22:57 PM

Apocalypse is a Social Darwinist & really it’s not like he’s the only one who misinterprets what the phrase actually means.

His philosophy is essentially might makes right & the strongest holds dominion over all. Simple & understandable.

It’s not anymore dumb than Thanos wanting to kill all of existence to bang the physical metaphysical representation of Death.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 29th 2020 at 10:24:36 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123170: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:27:47 PM

But we make fun of Thanos a lot.

Infinity Gauntlet was one big incel tantrum.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123171: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:32:20 PM

Do we have to make fun of them at least always?

Can’t we take them seriously as they are?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123172: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:35:10 PM

Not in a world where Thanos has a helicopter.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#123173: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:45:51 PM

[up][up][up]I remember one fancomic depicting Thanos trying to impress Death with all the people he killed, followed by Death blowing him off to go on a date with Deadpool instead since Deadpool actually asked her out. This was followed by Thanos angrily whining on a forum about Death.

Edited by M84 on Nov 30th 2020 at 2:46:12 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#123174: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:55:37 PM

[up][up] Does this mean we get to always make fun of Spider-Man since the Spidey-Mobile exists?tongue

I still maintain that whatever issues the MCU version of Thanos has, it was smart not to use his original motivation from the comics. Having the ultimate Big Bad of the first three phases be a guy who just wanted to get laid would have fallen flat unless you were going for outright parody.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123175: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:56:13 PM

There's a lot of reasons we get to make fun of Spider-Man.

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