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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#123126: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:00:27 PM

At the very least, he should cameo in episode one to set up Jen's origin story. [nja][nja]

Edited by Blueace on Nov 29th 2020 at 7:12:36 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123127: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:10:28 PM

So effective today, Marvel Studios can go right ahead and use Daredevil characters if they so want to.

Twitter's pushing hard for the Netflix show to be revived as a part of Disney+'s upcoming corner for mature content, but is that something we should expect?

As great as Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio were as DD and Kingpin, and as much as I REALLY want to see a live-action fight between Kingpin and Spider-Man, should we be prepared for full-on reboots of the characters? I doubt Feige would want to give Loeb any kind of satisfaction...

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123128: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:27:02 PM

Twitter's pushing hard for the Netflix show to be revived as a part of Disney+'s upcoming corner for mature content, but is that something we should expect?

No, since legally being allowed to use the characters again and legally having control over the Netflix show itself are two different things.

They could make a new Daredevil show with the same cast, and make it clear that it's not strictly the same series, however.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 29th 2020 at 2:27:25 AM

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Goku Black
#123129: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:39:21 PM

Pretty much. We may see D'oferino and cox come back but it would need to be a totally different show.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123130: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:40:26 PM

I doubt we're going to get a complete reboot, given just how popular the show is. And I'd like to think Feige isn't so petty as to reboot it just because a certain sentient pile of garbage facilitated the show's creation.

And may god have mercy on his soul, should he recast. Even the most fucked up sadists wouldn't want to see what the fans would do to him.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#123131: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:41:47 PM

I wish they could strike up some kind of deal with Netflix so they could at least share hosting the show or something and continue them from where they left off.

Luke Cage and Iron Fist need closure, damnit.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123132: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:48:16 PM

What would be in it for Netflix? Granted they’re throwing everything at the wall to make it stick, but besides cash? What would they want?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123133: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:58:53 PM

I at least see wanna see what Bulleye's costume would have looked like.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#123134: Nov 29th 2020 at 3:00:21 PM

[up][up]Cash.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#123135: Nov 29th 2020 at 3:10:03 PM

[up][up] I'd imagine just a repainted version of the fake Daredevil costume, maybe without the horns.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#123136: Nov 29th 2020 at 3:34:13 PM

Disney+ recently update Black Panther's Marvel Studios Vanity Plate to honor the late Chadwick Boseman. It features primarily clips from the aforementioned film, along with T'Challa's appearances in Civil War and Infinity War in a purple hue.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123137: Nov 29th 2020 at 3:57:20 PM

Man I can’t believe it’s been like 3 months since he died.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#123138: Nov 29th 2020 at 4:16:19 PM

[up][up] No offense, but I already brought that up last page.

[up] Man, it still sucks...sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 29th 2020 at 4:16:44 AM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#123139: Nov 29th 2020 at 4:22:56 PM

Spider-Man/Daredevil teamup and Thing vs. Hulk are like the two major things I want from the MCU now, as they're both the major things from the comics I favor that no Marvel movie has ever done yet.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#123140: Nov 29th 2020 at 4:28:59 PM

Thing VS Hulk, if done well, would be an amazing sight to see on the big screen.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123141: Nov 29th 2020 at 7:49:28 PM

The big crossover I wanted (Spider-Man & Dr. Strange) is evidently happening, so I'm content on that front for now.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#123142: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:20:48 PM

Another factor in why a villain's Heel–Face Turn may not stick is that the heinousness of their previous crimes makes it impossible to believe they could ever be redeemed. This was one of the reasons Grant Morrison made Magneto a villain again in their New X-Men run. Then again, they also ignored/retconned Emma Frost's actions as her being on drugs so they weren't exactly consistent there.

I think it's telling that Rogue and Songbird are the only villain-turned-heroes whose redemptions stuck and their actions were comparatively small (and in Rogue's case reversible). You can have Thanos wax philosophy all you want. It won't change that he's an attempted genocidaire.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123143: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:27:55 PM

Well Eddie Brock is becoming pretty redeemed now.

He & the symbiote are both making an honest attempt at being good people & they have even buried the hatchet with Peter.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123144: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:33:41 PM

I suppose that its worth saying that when Thanos was pulling his more anti-heroic streak after Infinity Gauntlet he was mostly saving the universe because he lived in it, didn't have interest in doing good things on a smaller scale than that, and mostly just wanted to farm.

It'd be unbelievable for him to become a good guy to the point where he hung out with the Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy like Rogue hangs out with the X-Men. But sighing and putting on his work pants every year to save the universe from another one of Adam Warlock's bad decisions was believable.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#123145: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:38:52 PM

[up][up]Then again, Eddie Brock and Venom are practically poster children for Heel–Face Revolving Door.

Generally though, as long as more blatantly villainous Symbiotes and their partners are running around, Venom gets to be a sort-of-good guy.

Edited by M84 on Nov 30th 2020 at 12:39:32 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#123146: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:42:15 PM

Yeah, as....... uh executed as it was efforts to make Eddie Venom into an anti-hero started fairly early in his history so its baked into his dna, so to speak.

Which is why Carnage was created.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#123147: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:42:56 PM

[up]While the films rarely influence the plots themselves, I could see Venom staying heroic/anti-heroic while a movie series portrays him the same way. The presence of other, more evil symbiotes helps.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#123148: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:44:22 PM

Interestingly enough Eddie’s anti-hero stint is more consistent. He tries to be a decent person but generally his devolution into villainy usually involves a mental breakdown or cancer.

And even then most of his tenure is him obsessively hunting the Venom symbiote which isn’t unjustified as since he lost it it went through 3 hosts & only one was actually a good person.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#123149: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:04:44 PM

Venom is a easier one because being severely mentally unstable is a key part of his character some way or another, so it's easy to write around with "he was not fully responsible for his actions".

Personally, unlike many, I for one like Apocalypse's heroic stint as of late, but that's mostly because of A) the novelty B) he makes a surprisingly engaging heroic figure for me (the whole "older than dirt ruthless pragmatic Social Darwinist" shtick is curious to see from a heroic angle)

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123150: Nov 29th 2020 at 9:10:59 PM

Eddie has a kid now (of sorts), as well, so that's a decent impetus enough for a writer to keep him on the side of angels.

Granted, all a writer would need to do to force him back to the villain Status Quo would be to kill off Dylan, and writers have killed off decent characters for less (or for that very reason, just ask Billy Connors who only just got back from that mess).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 29th 2020 at 9:11:26 AM


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