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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#123101: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:20:53 PM

I should clarify I'm not thinking of Liv in solely that she was fantastic in Spider-Verse, but also because I'm kind of done with traditional takes on Spider-Man and his rogues. I don't need to see any more Norman Osborne, or Molina-esque Ocks.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#123102: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:27:13 PM

We technically haven’t really had a traditional Green Goblin.

The original movie one had the Power Rangers suit that wasn’t sorta authentic. We still don’t have the one with the purple cap & shit.

Oooooh they can use this design by Alex Ross if they want. I think it can transfer well to live-action.

https://imgur.com/kabqIrD

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 27th 2020 at 8:27:48 AM

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#123103: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:29:52 PM

Alex Ross is less of a comic artist and more a master at portraits.

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#123104: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:32:45 PM

I'm alright with a traditional Ock because Doctor Octopus is The Penguin of Spider-Man's rogues gallery, characterized by his constantly fluctuating characterization. Ock's constant is that he's a scientist with mechanical arms, while Penguin's is that he's a criminal with penguin-esque deformities/appearance, but otherwise everything is fair game. Ock has been focused more as a criminal mastermind, a scientist at heart, very principled or completely heartless or any combination of those. Molina Ock played up more on the idea of him being a scientist at heart and having that passion for science be his grace and his downfall (a characterization picked up by Insomniac, for example), but there's a lot more you can do with the character.

A more Diabolical Mastermind take on Ock for example would be fun, harkening to the Master Planner years of the character.

Dafoe's Goblin I consider pretty close to perfect so I'm satisfied here.

Edited by Gaon on Nov 27th 2020 at 8:33:14 AM

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#123105: Nov 27th 2020 at 9:03:13 PM

Maybe kill off the Running Gag of everyone having the hots for May by making Otto her boyfriend like a surprisingly large amount of times in the comics.

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#123106: Nov 27th 2020 at 9:37:36 PM

I think Scorpion was originally conceived both in and out of universe as a "an enemy who has same powers as Spider-Man, but (theoretically) better."

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#123107: Nov 27th 2020 at 9:51:07 PM

Scorpion for example is practically defined by the way he blames everyone but himself for the mess that is his life.

Well, Jameson also deserves some of that blame since he turned Gargan into the Scorpion.

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#123108: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:01:11 PM

Of which JJ refuses to take responsibility for, using “I didn’t know he was a psycho” as an excuse.

[up][up] It’s interesting because while Scorpion does have better offensive options through his claws & humongous stinger tail, Spidey’s more utilitarian webs have so many uses & benefits that he still comes out as superior to Scorpion’s simplistic tools.

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#123109: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:07:24 PM

Of which JJ refuses to take responsibility for, using “I didn’t know he was a psycho” as an excuse.

Jameson did eventually confess to creating the Scorpion when the Hobgoblin tried to blackmail him with that knowledge. He stepped down as the Bugle's editor-in-chief.

It’s interesting because while Scorpion does have better offensive options through his claws & humongous stinger tail, Spidey’s more utilitarian webs have so many uses & benefits that he still comes out as superior to Scorpion’s simplistic tools.

Peter being smarter that Gargan also helps.

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#123110: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:13:54 PM

I'm thinking the Sinister Six has to include Scorpion and Chameleon, since they were set up in the previous films. We know Electro's going to be in there, too, so that's half the team down. I'm betting it'll also include Prowler as the Token Good Teammate, just leaving two open slots.

I think the Sinister Six has to have some brains behind the operation, and I figure that can either be Doc Ock or Hobgoblin, I'd prefer it to be Hobgoblin, both to pay off Ned and to have a new villain to live-action.

For the final slot, I'm guessing Kraven. If it is a team formed to hunt down criminal-at-large Spider-Man, that's Kraven's entire shtick, and they can get some fun out of him not even caring about bringing him in or any reward money, he just wants to hunt down Spider-Man for the sport.

So, my final Sinister Six team is Scorpion, Chameleon, Prowler, Electro, Kraven, and Hobgoblin.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 27th 2020 at 11:17:18 AM

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#123111: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:15:54 PM

I'd guess:

  • Vulture
  • Scorpion
  • Mysterio
  • Electro
  • Chamaleon
  • Kraven, Doc Ock or Hobgoblin.

Edited by Gaon on Nov 27th 2020 at 10:16:07 AM

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#123112: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:19:45 PM

Why would Vulture be in the Sinister Six? Last we saw of him, he was protecting Peter's identity from Scorpion. Is it just to have a Token Good Teammate? Because I think Prowler would fill that role much better, both in terms of character and forward plot progression.

Also, I'm like 90% sure Mysterio is actually dead for realsies.

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The Head of the Hydra
#123113: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:22:42 PM

[up][up][up][up] That’s why Peter’s most dangerous threats are generally the more intelligent ones like Osborn & Ock. Cause they are actually intelligent enough to use their abilities to their full potential, compared to Electro who has the potential to be an Avengers-level threat but is too much of a moron to do so.

Huh that also explains why Flash Thompson is the best Venom. He’s a trained soldier who can think on his feet while every other Venom (including Scorpion) are nothing more than brutes and thugs.

Hell Spidey even pointed it out to Gargan when he was Venom. Guy is a total fucknugget as Scorpion & he’s still a total fucknugget even as Venom. Nothings changed even with added firepower.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 27th 2020 at 10:23:35 AM

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#123114: Nov 27th 2020 at 10:26:29 PM

Vulture has enough of a code of honor to keep Pete's identity secret but he has shown no indication of having moved on after Peter. Even if he somehow doesn't hold a grudge after Spidey, he'd promptly join a team like this if it meant a chance to be free from jail to be with his family and provide for them (his whole character's shtick). I think it'd be a lot more hassle to establish Aaron Davis as the Prowler (given he was specifically characterized as being against superpowered hijinks due collateral damage in Homecoming) than Vulture as one of the Six.

And even if Mysterio is 100% dead, his entire team is unaccounted for as is his tech. Mysterio showing up post-mortem via some nice bit of fakery is classic Mysterio.

Edited by Gaon on Nov 27th 2020 at 10:27:35 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#123115: Nov 28th 2020 at 12:16:31 AM

I'm thinking:

  • Vulture
  • Scorpion
  • Shocker
  • Mysterio (either back from the dead, or someone using his tech)
  • Kraven
  • Electro

Are going to end up as the Sinister Six in this continuity. That's all the villains we've had thus far, plus the two we know are coming up.

Given his more mastermind-esque leanings in the MCU, I'd figure Mysterio will take Ock's usual role as the one who brings them together.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 28th 2020 at 12:17:18 PM

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#123116: Nov 28th 2020 at 11:54:28 PM

Peter being smarter that Gargan also helps.

That's the main advantage Peter has over guys like Sandman, Electro, Hydro-Man, etc.

They are powerful, but also dumb.

The only ones off the top of my head that I can think of that are primarily She-Hulk villains are Titania, Ogress and Lyra

Lyra isn't a Jen villain or a villain at all. Jen was her legal guardian for a time too.

Edited by Cortez on Nov 28th 2020 at 3:58:43 PM

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#123117: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:10:11 AM

Disney+ updated the Marvel Studios intro for Black Panther to be a tribute for Chadwick Boseman on what would have been his 44th birthday.

(*sniff*)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 29th 2020 at 8:12:58 AM

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#123118: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:53:47 AM

I'm different from all of you in that my idea for Doc Ock/Green Goblin is have him be a scientist named Otto Osborn and he becomes the octo-goblin... Perhaps that's a bit too out there. Combining both his arch-enemies would be interesting.

That's a great tribute :'(

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#123119: Nov 29th 2020 at 8:55:04 AM

Infinity Warps movie when

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#123120: Nov 29th 2020 at 10:05:20 AM

[up][up][up][up] Hmm... looking up character history gives off the impression that she started as a villain and then transitioned into a hero afterwards, which would explain why she's still listed as a villain in some places.

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#123121: Nov 29th 2020 at 12:42:01 PM

Doesn't her rogues gallery have a lot of overlap with the Hulk's?

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#123122: Nov 29th 2020 at 12:47:41 PM

Yes. Which is why the show should totally use some of hulk's rogues since we probably wonr see them otherwise due to the film rights. Will we see Ruffalo in some cameo ways ?

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#123123: Nov 29th 2020 at 12:48:11 PM

[up][up]That’s why I suggested The Leader.

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#123124: Nov 29th 2020 at 1:59:13 PM

Given Marvel like their interconnected universe concept I would be very surprised if Ruffalo never showed up at all. But I don't expect him to be around very much.

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#123125: Nov 29th 2020 at 2:00:19 PM

I'm assuming he's just going to be in the first episode to establish the cousin relationship and facilitate her blood transfusion, and then disappear for the rest of the series.


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