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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#123076: Nov 27th 2020 at 5:44:34 PM

I assume they'll want to avoid too much overlap with Into The Spider-Verse.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#123077: Nov 27th 2020 at 5:47:58 PM

Liv worked for Spiderverse, but not everything needs to be Spiderverse. I would prefer a clasic Ock with a new flare. I don't want things to do something that worked somewhere else. I want it too do it's own thing with classic characters and plot lines. It's part of the reason I liked Ultimate Spider-Man more then most. It did it's own thing, rather then just doing what The Spectacular Spider-Man did, and it worked, for me at least. Plus it really grew into it's own during season 2.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 27th 2020 at 7:58:04 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#123078: Nov 27th 2020 at 5:48:39 PM

Liv works especially well since she's supposed to be an Ultimate version of Doc Ock, in being a heavily changed version of a character that it still bears signature recognizable elements.

It helps give Miles his own version of the character which the effect would be lost if she's made to fight Peter in his own universe.

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#123079: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:00:09 PM

Agreed. The MCU is supposed to be the main universe, all the villains in Spider-Verse were designed to be weird AU versions of what they're supposed to be. Kingpin was a giant with super-strength, Prowler is a competent and terrifying assassin, Doc Ock is a woman with Wacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Tube Arms, Scorpion is a cyborg with robot limbs, Tombstone works for Kingpin, and Green Goblin is a dragon.

None of the villains in Spider-Verse match their standard designs and characterizations. If those villains were in the MCU, I'm sure they'd be much closer to their classic designs, especially since MCU Prowler already seems to be MUCH closer to classic 616 comics Prowler.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 27th 2020 at 7:01:39 AM

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#123080: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:21:51 PM

I’m still expecting Spider Man 3 to be either some variant of The Sinister Six or 24 Hours to Doomsday (but if they go that route, let Smythe or his equivalent be pissed at Peter, not Tony), and that means classic villains. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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#123081: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:26:34 PM

On further thought I am especially excited for Scorpion since he’ll be a more physical direct menace than Vulture and Mysterio.

He’ll definitely be the attack dog of the six alongside Electro.

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#123082: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:37:07 PM

Scorpion is interesting in that he manages to be a consistent threat to Spider-Man despite being just 1/4th of a Doc Ock.

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#123083: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:45:39 PM

Also Venom.

Guy manages to bother old long-tongue a good deal by using literally anything he can scrounge up.

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#123084: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:47:48 PM

His only superpower is having one Doc Ock arm without fingers attached to his back, and he somehow makes it work.

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#123085: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:05:39 PM

Olivia Octavius was great for that sense of HSQ, but yeah, I would rather see a more classic Otto Octavius on the off-chance he actually appears in the MCU.

If those villains were in the MCU, I'm sure they'd be much closer to their classic designs, especially since MCU Prowler already seems to be MUCH closer to classic 616 comics Prowler.

Wait. Isn't MCU Prowler named Aaron Davis, aka the civilian identity of Ultimate Prowler? Though I guess it's still premature since we only ever saw him in Homecoming.

Speaking of Prowler, some names I came across for hypothetical director(s) of Deadpool 3 was Phil Lord and Chris Miller or Donald Glover. I lean way more towards Lord/Miller because those guys turn everything into solid gold, but Glover wouldn't be bad either, especially since he and his brother were set to do a Deadpool cartoon until it got canned for some reason.

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#123086: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:08:02 PM

[up]IIRC FX objected hard to some jokes being made and Glover didn’t budge so they just canceled the entire project.

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#123087: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:10:28 PM

Ironically, Liv was perhaps the most comics accurate depiction of Ock personality and concept-wise I've seen outside the comics.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 27th 2020 at 7:11:20 AM

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#123088: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:21:59 PM

Wait. Isn't MCU Prowler named Aaron Davis, aka the civilian identity of Ultimate Prowler? Though I guess it's still premature since we only ever saw him in Homecoming.

His name might be the same, but classic Prowler's shtick was being just some guy who worked as a window washer and wanted recognition for his inventing skills, so he decided to take on the role of a supervillain, steal some stuff, then recover it in his civilian identity and become a hero. Once Spidey stopped him on his second night out, he gave up supervillaining quick and easy and he and Spidey became close friends. He even covered for Peter once or twice by appearing in the Spider-Man costume to clear Parker's name whenever other people got suspicious of him.

I'm not super knowlegeable about Ultimate Prowler in the comics, but if he's anything like Spider-Verse Prowler, MCU Aaron Davis seems to be A LOT closer to Classic Prowler than he is to Ultimate Prowler.

I'm predicting that in the MCU, Aaron Davis is going to become Prowler to join the Sinister Six, which is going to be a group of supposed heroes hunting down the wanted criminal Spider-Man. Aaron's going to discover that Spidey's innocent and the Sinister Six are a bunch of assholes, and he's going to turn on them and help Peter fight them in the final battle of the film.

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#123089: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:23:46 PM

Aaron was more of a crook, but he seems to be getting more sympathetic and with a better relationship with Miles in adaptations.

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#123090: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:26:22 PM

His appearance in the Miles video game is probably among his most noble.

A far cry from his original appearance where he died essentially leaving Miles traumatized after emotionally manipulating him to commit crime.

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#123091: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:39:56 PM

Ultimate Prowler when first introduced was a dick, plain and simple, who used his connection to Miles to exploit him by siccing him on rival supervillains and reaping in the power vacuum.

Spider-Verse Prowler is closer to Ultimate Prowler, but has genuine love for his nephew and Ultimate Prowler when ported over to the 616-verse has followed in being kinder to him, even becoming more of an anti-hero and teaming up with his brother.

MCU Aaron Davis is perhaps the most divergent adaptation considering he just appears to be an unassuming thief with no ambitions of supervillainy.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 27th 2020 at 7:41:01 AM

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#123092: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:49:44 PM

Scorpion manages to be a threat despite not having as many extra limbs as Doc Ock because Scorpion, unlike most incarnations of Doc Ock, also has superhuman physiology.

Remember that he was given an animal mutation similar to Peter Parker's except with a scorpion instead of a spider.

Doc Ock by contrast, was originally just a Mad Scientist in not so great shape with robot tentacles.

Edited by M84 on Nov 27th 2020 at 11:50:48 PM

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#123093: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:49:55 PM

[up][up]Well, like I said, he's pretty similar to Hobie Brown, the classic Prowler. He had no delusions of grandeur, all of his gadgets were just stuff he built to make window-washing more convenient and his master plan was to commit low-level thievery and then recover the stolen goods later to gain a moderate amount of media attention to shill his inventions.

I could totally see MCU Aaron Davis doing exactly what Hobie Brown did.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 27th 2020 at 8:50:14 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#123094: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:59:20 PM

[up][up] Yeah Scorpion functions as an evil counterpart to Spidey.

Having powers derived from an arachnid or whatever a scorpion is, that gives him base all -around physical enhancements & acrobatics but with more distinctly offensive abilities through claws and a gigantic stinger tail.

He’s someone Spidey can fill on grapple with on an even playing field.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 27th 2020 at 8:01:47 AM

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#123095: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:00:49 PM

How many evil counterparts does Spidey have?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#123096: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:01:51 PM

His entire Rogues Gallery could arguably count to some degree. The big names at least.

The key element of Peter Parker is that he (mostly) tries to take responsibility. A lot of his enemies are thus people who shirk it.

Edited by M84 on Nov 28th 2020 at 12:02:50 AM

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#123097: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:02:31 PM

I'd say three (Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus and Scorpion). Four if you count Venom but he's more of an antihero these days than an outright villain.

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#123098: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:03:46 PM

Scorpion for example is practically defined by the way he blames everyone but himself for the mess that is his life.

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#123099: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:05:19 PM

Huh, looking it up, you're right, Scorpion does have powers similar to Spidey's abilities on top of his robot tail. I could've sworn I remembered reading a story where he was just a normal dude with a robot tail, but maybe I remembered wrong.

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#123100: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:10:02 PM

Every comic book villain tend to be built as a parallel to its hero, so rogues galleries tend to be a collection of parallels of some kind. It's a Hero's Journey thing, with what Campbell described as "the shadow" (the hero's darkside manifested in some way).

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