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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122876: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:06:57 AM

The reason is that when Nyx killed the Olympians in Avengers No Road Home, they were reborn as jerky space versions of themselves.

Hercules went into space to find them and specifically Athena who is the only one he really likes? maybe? Anyway, the Space Olympians captured and tortured him and he was freed by the Guardians but Peter died so I guess Hercules felt partially responsible and/or he has nothing better to do after Space Olympus was blown into another dimension.

Thaaaaats the context.

Also, he's dating Noh-Varr and they're even doing quantum swaps, ifuknowwhatimean

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 14th 2020 at 1:07:22 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122877: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:11:40 AM

I thought James Gunn confirmed a little while ago that there's no plan to put Thor in Guardians 3.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122878: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:20:19 AM

The Guardians also have possibly an alien descendent of the Armstrong family from Fullmetal Alchemist as one of its members.

He’s disciplining under a rabbit nemesis of Rocket.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122879: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:21:10 AM

The Prince of Power?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122880: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:21:47 AM

Yeah him.

A muscular blond who likes to flex, he’s totally an Armstrong. [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 14th 2020 at 10:22:12 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122881: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:52:58 AM

The quintessential Marvel Hercules story is him being exiled from Olympus in THE FUTURE and going on a galactic romp with a Robot Buddy as he battles cults, Galactus, and the Twilight of the Olympians while learning humility.

Admittedly I’d rather Disney made that instead of a live action Hercules movie, but I can see fears that Guardians has stepped on its toes.

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#122882: Nov 14th 2020 at 11:00:03 AM

I'd rather they do a lot of things that aren't Disney live-action remakes.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122883: Nov 14th 2020 at 5:03:22 PM

If I were Disney I'd try to make a movie that would be a remake of the animated Hercules movie AND an adaptation of Marvel Hercules set in the MCU at once.

Framing device: Hercules arrives in the modern day and starts narrating his story, but it soon becomes clear he's somewhat of an Unreliable Narrator (especially if there are youngsters in his audience and it's implied he's trying to clean the myths up for their sake). By the end it's not very clear how much of it was true and how much it wasn't, and that's up to the audience to decide.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122884: Nov 14th 2020 at 5:10:48 PM

Huh.

That'd be something to see.

Herc actually did something like that before. He was telling some kids about a fight he had with Thor, where he made himself out to be the most awesome dude while Thor was a total punk who's ass he kicked from one end of town to the other...

...until he notes that one kid who's a big fan of Thor is disappointed, so he changes the story to Thor making a big comeback and stomping him in the end.

To paraphrase the Prince of power:

Hercules: And with his final blow, the God of Thunder hurled me to a place even the gods had forgotten: New Jersey.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122885: Nov 14th 2020 at 5:18:51 PM

I quite like Hercules and think that he has one of the biggest hearts in Marvel but that's not the one New Jersey joke I'll accept so go to hades, jerc.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122886: Nov 14th 2020 at 5:29:39 PM

To be fair, I may be misquoting. I'd have to find the exact issue to know for sure.

Edit: Oh. I found it. Issue 356 of Volume 1.

And yup, Herc says Thor knocked him to Jersey and that it's god forsaken.

.....so if you live in New Jersey, feel free to hate Marvel Hercules.cool

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 14th 2020 at 7:13:28 AM

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#122888: Nov 17th 2020 at 12:36:08 AM

Surprised Diesel of all peopleneeds to go to be on site for it if it's a voice role. He could probably record it in a studio nearer to home. Unless there's some mo-cap work to do?

If it's just Pratt and Diesel then we can assume that the Guardians role in love and thunder is probably an opening cameo. If the rest of the crew show up it may be something more substantial.

Edited by jakobitis on Nov 17th 2020 at 8:37:39 PM

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#122889: Nov 17th 2020 at 12:57:44 AM

Maybe Thor 4 will also be GotG 2.5, in the same way Captain America 3 was Avengers 2.5 (yes, I know all those movies have actual names, but it's funnier that way).

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#122890: Nov 17th 2020 at 3:24:59 AM

Could be. Not sure if Gunn would sign off on that though as GOTG seems to be his pet project and he's got plans of his own IIRC.

He might be okay with giving Waititi an outline though and letting him have a go. They seem to have fairly similar, compatible approaches/mindsets about the MCU.

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#122891: Nov 17th 2020 at 3:38:08 AM

True. Ragnarok did not feel that far in tone from the GOTG films.

I sometimes wonder how much of the future MCU films will be purely focused on a given hero or team, compared to those that will include more or less extended cameos from other teams (like Ragnarok, Ant-Man or Homecoming did, Civil War being an extreme example). I'm all for the franchises merging with one another as much as possible as it reinforces the feel of a shared universe and can help avoiding some of the Superman Stays Out of Gotham questions, but of course that should not take away the focus from the titular hero/team.

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#122892: Nov 17th 2020 at 4:37:51 AM

I wonder if Groot will finally be fully grown or if he'll still be a moody teenager.

The legend has returned.
ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#122893: Nov 17th 2020 at 12:24:42 PM

Vin does the Mo-Cap for Groot IIRC, unlike Rocket where the onset mo-cap is done by Sean Gunn and Cooper does the VA in a studio later.

So it's possible we got three of the Guardians.

Also remember it was originally planned that Vol 3 would be the first or second post Endgame MCU film. Then Gunn got fired/re-hired and in the gap got signed to do Suicide Squad so that delayed Vol 3 for a year at least, THEN Love and Thunder got announced, then COVID hit.

So it's possible the Guardians will have small roles in Love and Thunder and Gunn is already tweeking his script to work that in.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122894: Nov 17th 2020 at 3:58:39 PM

Random thought but I wonder if Supreme Power’s version of Nighthawk could ever be adapted.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122898: Nov 19th 2020 at 12:58:57 PM

Oh those colors look great.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#122899: Nov 19th 2020 at 1:19:32 PM

[up]x4: It's missing the winter hat, but I guess that's because of the helmet. Definitely wasn't expecting to see a small glimpse of the Ms. Marvel costume or at least a prototype of it...

[up][up] There might be more significance in the jacket than there ever was in the comics. MCU!Kamala's jacket looks to be based on Carol's green flight suit jacket from her movie, right down to having a patch for the USAF Test Pilot School on the left sleeve. And apparently there's a flying sloth patch on the other sleeve? Must be a meme thing.

EDIT: AAAAAAHHHH Kamala wearing a Carol Costume on the set!!!!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 19th 2020 at 1:34:02 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#122900: Nov 19th 2020 at 1:45:55 PM

Oh wow. That's great.

And yeah, good call that the MCU version of Kamala's "trenchcoat" (not sure what to call it) looks more like Carol's military clothing.

Edited by Hodor2 on Nov 19th 2020 at 3:46:48 AM


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