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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#122851: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:13:16 PM

Maybe a this point magneto should be dead and someone else take is mantle? because finding more and more ways to keep him alive is getting weird a this point.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122852: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:14:45 PM

So, what? It would be a defrosted or otherwise unsealed Mags against...? An X-Men lead by Scott? Ororo? Katherine Pryde?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#122853: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:16:27 PM

Well shit the X-Men officially lead by Cyclops or Storm would be pretty dope.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#122854: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:17:48 PM

Now the question would if they conect storm to wakanda in the future given her and tchalla were married.

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#122855: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:18:18 PM

I'd personally like to see the original X-Men share a movie together, meaning Jean, Scott, Hank, Iceman, and Angel.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122856: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:19:41 PM

[up][up] They would just have a short fling as teenagers.

There’s not really much else that can be done there.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#122857: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:22:57 PM

[up]Ufffff unfortunally you are right, it is a shame.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122858: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:25:45 PM

Not only are they from different franchises so Storm has her own priorities than Wakanda, BP has already moved on to another woman.

He is comfortable happy with Nakia so there’s already not much you can do with Storm unless you break up BP & Nakia.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#122859: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:26:55 PM

[up]Dont get me wrong, It was more of Storm knowing about wakanda, after all I know that marrgie was hated by pretty much everyone.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122860: Nov 13th 2020 at 1:33:15 PM

Marriage was doomed because they’re from two different worlds

The X books and the corner of the setting Black Panther occupies. They’d always be pulled apart

But they work great as two people who are into each other

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122861: Nov 13th 2020 at 2:22:13 PM

When it comes to villains, I’d prefer Black Panthers movie series try to adapt his characters and antagonists first before giving other series’ villains instead.

My sole, solitary exception to that preference is Dr. Doom, but even then I’d still prefer Doom to be saved for a later movie, or a crossover - especially since Fantastic Four is actually happening.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#122862: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:18:24 PM

Because I have nothing better to do, I have taken the time to look up Black Panther's central rogues gallery. According to Wikipedia.

Already featured in the MCU: Killmonger was already the Big Bad and is dead; Klaw was a Disc-One Final Boss and, while he did have more potential, is dead; M'Baku is both good and not a really racist caricature; Nakia is good and not insane; and the White Wolf is just Bucky.

Will be featured in the MCU: Black Knight will be a hero, though I'm not sure about the Nathan Garrett incarnation; Kraven the Hunter is 90% likely to be the Big Bad of Spider-Man 3; Doom... yeah, I really don't see him as the villain of a Black Panther movie.

Were in the tv shows (consider these in whichever section you want): Cockroach—how the fuck is he a Black Panther villain? Wikipedia, you can be kind of shit sometimes. Anyways, he was in Luke Cage and is dead; the Hand (seriously Wikipedia, da fuck?) were in the Netflix shows and most of the leadership is probably dead; and Nightshade was also in Luke Cage and is not dead.

Yet to be adapted at all: Achebe, probably the most likely choice for the villain; Fenris, which I already proposed; a Deviant named Ghaur, unlikely; minor Spider-Man villain Overdrive, also unlikely; Lady Bullseye, even more unlikely; Moses Magnum, saw him proposed earlier but honestly don't see anything too interesting; Psycho-Man and Radioactive Man, either of which I wouldn't mind seeing; a snake dude named Venomm, which is a really stupid name; and the Sons of the Ser-HA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OH, OH MY GOD, OH MY FUCKING GOD, HA HA HA! OH, oh, oh... yeah, no.

I'm actually pretty surprised Namor wasn't on the list. He's definitely still a contestant for somewhere down the line.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Nov 13th 2020 at 4:21:21 AM

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#122863: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:22:04 PM

Lady Bullseye would be probably be saved for the inevitable daredevil reboot.

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#122864: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:53:37 PM

Black Panther’s rogue gallery is weird because sometimes he’s a king dealing with king shit and sometimes he’s subbing in for daredevil or teaching inner city school and punching robbers

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#122865: Nov 13th 2020 at 4:54:47 PM

Wait does Bucky count as a composition of White Wolf?

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#122866: Nov 13th 2020 at 5:14:13 PM

He’s referred to as the white wolf.

Also he is Wakanda’s only or at least most prominent white citizen and is a badass, morally questionable spy (albeit mostly as the Winter Soldier).

Edited by Hodor2 on Nov 13th 2020 at 7:14:59 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122867: Nov 13th 2020 at 6:59:42 PM

Really the only way it works is a strange expanded universe "canon levels" thing (as in, the movies are canon to the shows but not vice versa).

For many years that's how Star Wars and Star Trek operated. If it wasn't in the movies (or TV shows in Star Trek's case), the canon was dubious at best and open to being contradicted by future live-action or animated installments, which carried a stronger degree of canonicity. Even before the Disney merger you had a lot of cases of lore points established in the Star Wars books and comics being outright contradicted by stuff like the prequel movies and the Clone Wars tv show.

That's probably the best way to look at the Marvel TV shows, since, with a few exceptions, they were done without the input of the movie division. Hell, we had an entire debate on this thread years ago about the canonicity of movie novelizations, since a few of those had some out there plot points that do not make any sense as the franchise progresses (most famously the claim that the new element Tony invented in Iron Man 2 was vibranium).

Edited by comicwriter on Nov 13th 2020 at 7:03:02 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122869: Nov 13th 2020 at 9:35:02 PM

[up]Vin Diesel also just arrived in Sydney low-key and people are speculating it's for Love and Thunder as well.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#122870: Nov 13th 2020 at 9:39:22 PM

I'm expecting the Guardians will only appear in the first few scenes before Thor leaves the group. Kinda similar to Strange's cameo in Ragnarok. Whether it'll be on his own volition or if he's kicked out, we'll just have to wait and see.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122872: Nov 14th 2020 at 8:04:44 AM

Ha

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jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#122873: Nov 14th 2020 at 9:40:37 AM

[up]x2 Considering that Guardians 3 comes before Thor: Love and Thunder(or at least that was the plan), that would kinda make sense.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#122874: Nov 14th 2020 at 9:47:06 AM

Isn't Thor supposed to be in Guardians 3? Am I just confusing that for an earlier report about the Guardians being in Thor?

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Nov 14th 2020 at 9:47:27 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122875: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:03:21 AM

If they are dealing with Adam Warlock, Thor being in Guardians 3 would make sense.

Also, the current comic book guardians have Hercules as a member right now (I don't know the actual reasons for that) so it may be that Thor is there as a kind of MCU Expy of him....which is funny to me.

I don't know if Herc is meant to be an Expy of Thor or not, but he sure fills that Big Guy who also happens to be a deity role pretty well.

Plus, they are the most well known members of their respective Pantheons too.

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