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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Maybe. The excerpt
changed Kamala and Bruno’s names, but still included mention of Winter Soldier and the Avengers unchanged.
I mean, it's not even a matter of 'Like/Dislike'.
There is just absolutely no logical way whatsoever to fit Season 6 and 7 into the timeline Post-Snap.
Edited by Forenperser on Nov 13th 2020 at 1:19:19 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianAnd the fact the showrunners didn't KNOW about the 5 year skip.
If it wasn't for that time jump seasons 6-7 could have fit better but the Russos kept the jump under wraps and thanks to Perlmutter there was very little coordination/communications between the TV side and the Movie Side.
I mean comic book logic would assume that the Avengers would undo most if not all the effects of the snap within a short time, so the showrunners ran with that. Then Endgame came out and well...
Honestly, with more thought, I'd say that it's both the movie AND TV division's faults that season 6 and 7 don't really fit in with the movies, although I'm more inclined, for a number of reasons, to say that it ultimately falls on the show.
On the one hand, part of the blame is absolutely on the movie division for not sharing how Infinity War was going to go and that there wasn't going to be a magic reset. It made things way more difficult for the showrunners to plan around to have this big universe-altering event and not tell them how the resolution was going to be handled.
BUT, on the other hand, I get why. The five year timeskip was a BIG secret, and the more people that are privvy to it, the better chance of it getting out. And to be fair, the showrunners kind of wrote THEMSELVES into a corner by a) explicitly dating the year that season five took place in, and b) writing themselves right up to Thanos's invasion of Earth. If they knew they weren't going to be told how Infinity War and Endgame shook itself out (and after steadily being distanced more and more from the films proper, I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption to make), they shouldn't have written the back half of season 5 around Thanos and the looming threat he imposes.
Edited by Khfan429 on Nov 13th 2020 at 5:30:09 AM
To be honest, they remained very fuzzy on the threat in season 5. If I remember correctly (maybe I'm wrong), Thanos was not mentioned, so you could Fanwank these references as another crisis that was not featured in the movies.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.Also Season 5 was suppost to be the SERIES Finale between Infinity War (and not knowing how that was going to go) and the shaky ratings they wrote the Season as if it was the last one. Pretty sure if they knew they were going to get TWO MORE seasons they wouldn't have killed Coulson off. IIRC they were told about the renewal too late to change anything about the season 5, they didn't know about Endgame's plot they had no way of getting in on the loop (thanks Ike! /sarcasm) so they pretty much were flying blind in writing and decided to not refer to either was the best path.
Trouble is, they did not start out that way. The first two seasons of Agents of SHIELD stick very closely to the movies, to the point that it is almost necessary to have watched the movies to fully understand them. It's just too bad that the series was never referenced in the MCU in any form, as now it makes AoS basically feel like a fanfic or Expanded Universe at best.
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Drat, I had forgotten that. Isn't that in itself dissonant with what happens in the film (Infinity War takes place over the course of a day or so, and Thanos spends very little time actually on Earth, though you could say they were talking about his army, not him specifically).
Really the only way it works is a strange expanded universe "canon levels" thing (as in, the movies are canon to the shows but not vice versa). The Winter Soldier was pretty vitally important to Agents of Shield, but the events of Ao S are just too big to go totally unnoticed. The other shows frankly could have been in a differet universe, but threw in just enough ocassional referrences.
I would have at least liked some crossover between the different 'streams' of MCU tv, but I get how hard that is from a production perspective.
Edited by HalfFaust on Nov 13th 2020 at 5:38:35 PM
Season 5 already had some issues, but yeah, it would have been the perfect finale.
The series really felt dragged out afterwards, despite some good episodes in Season 7.
Season 6 is probably my least favorite Season overall.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianOh yeah. They probably should have ended at Season 5. That was the best time to do it.
Especially since they had no way of properly coordinating with the films so as to avoid stepping on their toes.
One Strip! One Strip!Marvel Studios executive producer Victoria Alonso held an interview
with an Argentinian journal. Among the subjects was Black Panther II.
It's in Spanish, but someone on Reddit
managed to translate the portion regarding BP2:
Clarin: - What's going to happen with Black Panther II? There were talks about creating a CGI Boseman...
Alonso: No. There is only one Chadwick, and he's no longer with us. Unfortunately, our king is dead, not only in fiction but also in real life. We are taking our time to think how are we going to cotinue that story and what are we going to do to honor this chapter and this unexpected and terrible death. In production, sometimes two or three months are enough, and you say time has pass. But this is not the case, we need to think what are we going to do, how are we going to honor the franchise.
There's still no clear-cut decision, but the "dead in fiction" comment might imply that they're leaning towards passing the mantle to another character, however.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 13th 2020 at 10:19:49 AM
What would they do for a sequel? (I only ask this because thinking critically distracts me from being sad. If this annoys anyone I'll change the subject.)
His three biggest enemies are either dead or good now. White Wolf was made into a Composite Character with Bucky, and even if he hadn't been he would've felt like a rehash of Killmonger.
The most popular choices for a villain I've seen are either Namor or... uh... (looks up the guy's name) Achebe. Who's apparently a servant of Mephisto. Okay, that could work.
Looking at his "enemies" page, nothing else immediately stands out to me that wouldn't be a rehash of something already covered in the movie, involve generic white supremacist assholes, or just be plain stupid. Though actually... what about Fenris? Baron von Strucker's kids, who were much less of a disappointment than Werner and were let into the family business? I could see them leading a Hydra plot to take over Wakanda or something.
Bring Killmonger back from the dead and have him pull a Heel–Face Turn
Explore what it means for Wakanda to be on the world stage after centuries of isolation. How does T'Challa (assuming they re-cast) deal with dying and coming back to life? Are there Wakandans who blame T'Challa for whatever misfortune befell the country after Thanos's culling? What new enemies will Wakanda face now that the rest of the world know who they are and what they are capable of.
There is a lot you can do for a sequel. This doesn't even have to be limited to one film. If anything, there is so much to do I'm worried they wouldn't make enough Black Panther movies to explore it adequately.
Edited by windleopard on Nov 13th 2020 at 11:18:35 AM
There's an arc called "A Nation Under Our Feet", in which T'challa contends with a democratic movement in Wakanda up against the monarchy. The arc is a nuanced look at Wakandan politics (both in the flawed monarchy and the flawed revolution) and it inspired the first movie's complex take on Wakanda, so it's a obvious route.
I've always thought the obvious route would be adapting it but with Reverend Achebe as the "evil" face of the revolution and the villains of the arc in the comic as the heroes on the wrong side of the rebellion. And following the end of the comic: Wakanda becomes a constitutional monarchy and is on its way to eventually a Republic as T'challa (or Shuri, in this case) finds a middle ground with them.
In the comics the gimmick is that the rebellion's yearning for a more democratic system is absolutely moral, but foreign powers are using the revolution to destabilize Wakanda, and thus we have to figure this shit out before Wakanda sinks into a dystopia or chaos.
Edited by Gaon on Nov 13th 2020 at 11:21:51 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

If they don't work in some American Eagle Outfitters product placement, they're sleeping on a gold mine.