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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#122726: Nov 11th 2020 at 2:00:59 PM

He was pretty great in Avengers EMH

Pretty understated

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#122727: Nov 11th 2020 at 3:55:22 PM

For representation purposes, they should probably find a Roma actor to play Doom, since he is of Romani descent in the comics. I'm terrible at coming up with names, so I don't know any Romani actors off the top of my head.

And yes, EMH Doom was quite good:

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#122728: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:27:45 PM

Speaking of Doctor Doom...

A new Production Weekly is up.

Not only are Multiverse of Madness and Ms. Marvel on the list, but so is Fantastic Four!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Nov 11th 2020 at 4:32:57 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122729: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:33:44 PM

Welp, if that tweet was on the money, that's probably what it was talking about.

Also, YES! Hopefully we get the first Fantastic Four film that doesn't suck.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 11th 2020 at 4:33:57 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#122730: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:37:25 PM

[up] Fourth time's the charm! (Or fifth time if we're counting the F4 movie from Roger Corman.)

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#122731: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:42:49 PM

Uh... what's this supposed to be?

Using context and basic intelligence, I'm assuming it's supposed to be a listing of films and television shows going into development.

If so, I guess they're finally getting around to that Boba Fett project. Good on them.

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#122732: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:45:21 PM

Its actually really sad that Corman's version is the closest to comic accuracy. Like for real considering how many times these films have been made.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#122733: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:48:33 PM

I actually like the ones from the 2000s as I think they really nailed the casting of the team, especially the Thing, and are just fun films. However I could really do with a good Doctor Doom.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 11th 2020 at 6:49:15 AM

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#122734: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:49:28 PM

I've never seen the Corman one, how bad is it? So Bad, It's Good or "Oh dear lord kill it with fire?"

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122735: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:51:25 PM

The 2000 ones had the best version of The Thing outside the comics imo. The scene where Doom helps Ben get back to normal, leading to the betrayal, still sticks with me.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#122736: Nov 11th 2020 at 4:53:29 PM

Don't expect a Fantastic 4 right out of the comics, but honestly for a pre-MCU superhero movie it's not that bad. The worst thing about it is that its version of Doom is underwhelming.

Edited by FGHIK on Nov 11th 2020 at 6:53:45 AM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#122737: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:01:50 PM

Huh. Might check it out, if I have free time.

Honestly, I feel a Fantastic Four movie would be pretty easy to nail as long as they don't shoehorn in Doom as the Big Bad. I've always thought an adaptation of the first arc of the Ultimate Fantastic Four would work - the Four (plus maybe Doom, if he has to be in the first movie) get powers upon traveling to the Negative Zone, and have to avoid getting murdered by Annihilus while they try to figure out how to get home.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122738: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:09:56 PM

I wasn't fond of the 2000's versions' "be sexy 24/7" Sue, either. It was very early 2000's, and did not age well.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122739: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:10:45 PM

Like those multiple scenes of her in her underwear or naked?

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#122740: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:11:26 PM

With Doom. I fell he's better if he were built up. Maybe just have as a supporting character well normal and do a proper origin for the team with hints that doom is going down a dark path and his rivalry with Richards which is then realised in The Stinger. Setting him up for later. It allows a film to not have him as main villain too which would be refreshing.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#122741: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:16:42 PM

[up][up][up] I don't think anything Sue does ever ages well.

[up] If anything has been learned from the last few movies, it's that Doom shouldn't be immediately prominent. That would probably be the point of the hypothetical tv show and any appearances in the Fantastic Four movies, to build up his hatred of RICHAAAAAARDS! and evolution into (hopefully) an Avengers-level Big Bad.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Nov 11th 2020 at 5:19:00 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122742: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:17:05 PM

Fourth time's the charm! (Or fifth time if we're counting the F4 movie from Roger Corman.)

We apparently are, since I made the joke that this MCU FF movie would literally be the fourth one, only to have it pointed out there have been four already.sad

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122743: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:18:47 PM

[up]*4: I remember a bit from Jessica Alba about Sue's Disney Death scene in the second film, where she notes that they had to retake it a couple times because they wanted Sue to "die sexier."

Die sexier. Honestly. And it got me paying attention to how Sue acts in general in those movies, and yeah. Most of the things she does, even regular and innocuous actions, she does in as sexy a way as possible, albeit without being risque.

It's the thing that got me aware of how female characters are directed in action movies in general. It's not the worst example of it I can think of, but for that reason it's the thing I always think of in regards to that problem.

Huh, is Why Wont My Hips Unsway not a trope any more?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 11th 2020 at 5:21:09 AM

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#122744: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:21:32 PM

You're looking for Hartman Hips..I think

1)[up] I have no idea if it ever existed

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 11th 2020 at 1:22:03 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122745: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:23:17 PM

Ah casual 2000's sexism.

So degrading.

Right there was that scene in Silver Surfer where Sue wound up naked due to an accidental transfer of Johnny's powers burned off her clothes.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 11th 2020 at 5:24:16 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122746: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:24:04 PM

Not exactly. Hartman Hips is just about characters who are designed with very large hips. Back when it was a thing, Why Won't My Hips Unsway (unless I'm misremembering and it never existed) was about how female characters are always drawn (or directed, in live action) so that every scene of them is meant to emphasize their attractiveness, so they stand sexy, move sexy, fight sexy, are always shot in sexy poses no matter how much sense it makes, etc.

I guess it got folded into Most Writers Are Male? Or Rule of Sexy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 11th 2020 at 5:28:44 AM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122747: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:28:22 PM

I remember a comic set in the bar of villains where the gathered bad guys were making fun of Sue because she was too wide on the hips.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
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#122748: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:30:01 PM

[up][up][up] If, by some miracle, they had gotten a third movie, how do you think it would have escalated? Would they have come up with some new and exciting form of sexism, or not even bother trying to invent clever ways to undress her and just straight up apply Clothing Damage in a fight with the fucking Mole Man?

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Nov 11th 2020 at 5:31:03 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122749: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:37:11 PM

Well she'd prolly be damseled & we'd then get creepy scenes from Mole Man.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122750: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:38:06 PM

It's worth nothing that, barring Romjin Stamos' Mystique, FOX's other Marvel movie franchise, that of the X-people did underplay the female sexuality seen in the comics.

Anna Paquin's Rogue is a far cry from the incredibly curvaceous woman in painted spandex from the comics up to that point, even Emma Frost was less of an incredibly predatory man-eater than she was in the comics, Kitty didn't have the somewhat troubling romance with the much older Colossus, and so on.

This was a case where the films' decision to move away from the skintight costuming toned a lot of those elements visually, and the story followed cue...

On the other hand, Wolverine became much more of a Mr. Fanservice than ever before.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Nov 11th 2020 at 5:38:58 AM


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