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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122701: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:22:46 AM

Reminder that I gotta read that Doom ongoing.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122702: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:23:11 AM

Villain Protagonist has issues on this front too. Even if the writer does try to portray him as an asshole, the whole Sympathetic P.O.V. thing is in play.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122703: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:24:43 AM

It's a tricky balance I will admit and not every writer gets it right. There is something to be worried about given we have yet to get a villain protagonist series in the MCU. Hopefully, they avoid the missteps.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122704: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:25:30 AM

And the fact that it's this particular villain - one who has long had a Draco in Leather Pants Misaimed Fandom issue - makes it even more problematic.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122705: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:25:52 AM

I hope they don't hold back in how petty he is.

I want a good RICHARDS!!!!

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122706: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:27:38 AM

If I was going to do it, I'd have another character be the actual viewpoint character. Kind of like how the Joker one-shot was framed.

It'd still be about Doctor Doom, but the viewpoint character we'd follow would be someone else.

And just like in the Joker one-shot comic, the series would end with the viewpoint character being killed, a casualty of one of Doctor Doom's petty schemes against his archenemy.

Edited by M84 on Nov 11th 2020 at 11:30:05 PM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#122707: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:40:04 AM

I think the Breaking Bad approach would work best here, where it seems like he's sympathetic at first but as the series goes on, it's clear that he's really just a huge asshole.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#122708: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:04:20 AM

[up][up] Pre-cyborg Lucia von Bardas, maybe? That's the only Doom supporting character I can really think of. Maybe his wife, but that I feel would cross into blatant fridging.

I went to Wikipedia to look for other characters that might fit the bill (also to see if he actually had a wife in the mainstream continuity, may have mixed that up with another series), but his page had been replaced with Galactus for some reason.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Nov 11th 2020 at 8:48:50 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122709: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:21:49 AM

Ya know issues with villain protags aside, it is quite cathartic to possibly finally get an accurate Doom after his character keeps getting bungled in the movies.

Especially after Fant4stic & trash head training dummy.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122710: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:36:36 AM

So who would be the ideal person to play DOOM?. Get the gravitas and the petulant nature down? There’s a very fine line DOOM hop-scotches over, going from regal and cultured one minute, then whiny and childish the next.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122711: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:39:03 AM

Who will be ok wearing a mask most or all of the movie? Because that’s one character for whom the superhero movie trope of popping the mask off as much as possible does not work

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#122712: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:42:16 AM

My darkhorse pick is Goran Višnjić. He plays a sympathetic and sometimes Laughably Evil villain in Timeless (who Word of God compared to Magneto, a somewhat similar character). And being Croatian, he has the right look for Doom's pre or un-disfigured appearance.

I also like the popular suggestion of Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, since Jaime Lannister is a (kind of noble and sympathetic) bastard with Prince Charming good looks. And I think Coster-Waldau would still come across as charismatic even if his face was covered most of the time.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122713: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:47:39 AM

[up][up] Not unless they have his being scarred happen at the end of the film. Which I can see them doing.

That or they'll just go, "He's a brilliant scientist and sorcerer. Do you think he couldn't fix his face?"

Edited by windleopard on Nov 11th 2020 at 8:47:54 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122714: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:52:49 AM

Those are hypothetical cowards and I’ll have no part of it

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#122715: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:52:59 AM

Easy fix... is Just having a full body suit and another stuntman in it. Well he voices him with the occupant suit up for a few scenes. Basically the mandolrian.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#122716: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:53:50 AM

I think he'd be so vain that he considers even his burnt face to be perfect.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#122717: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:55:07 AM

Source is a single Twitter post. tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122718: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:03:36 AM

Which was vague about what exactly it was talking about, to boot.

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#122719: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:08:53 AM

Sorry, first time posting. Again, I'm pretty doubtful that it's actually real. I just saw it, and thought it would be a cool discussion piece. Not much else to do in this drought...

Besides, it wasn't from WGTC, so how wrong could it be?

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Nov 11th 2020 at 10:21:46 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122720: Nov 11th 2020 at 12:15:45 PM

Is it really necessary to spoil the name of the character? I mean, it's an official announcement, not a plot twist.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#122721: Nov 11th 2020 at 12:17:34 PM

If they didn't already waste him on Kaecillius, Mikkelsen would have made a good Doom.

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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#122722: Nov 11th 2020 at 12:31:14 PM

[up][up] I mean, I wouldn't call it an official announcement...

So... yeah. I guess spoilers are unnecessary. Huh. Whoops.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#122723: Nov 11th 2020 at 12:58:41 PM

Well if it's the voice that is so important to conveying the majesty of Doom, then truly there is but one who has tones of sufficient intelligence, charm and power: Gilbert Gottfried. You know it's true.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122724: Nov 11th 2020 at 1:16:44 PM

If we're casting DOOM solely by voice alone, I'd say Keith David, but only because I really want Keith David's voice somewhere in the MCU already.

However, more seriously, I'd pretty much Nth the idea that everyone I could think of is already in the MCU.

That said, we'd want someone around the same age as whoever they would cast for Reed, so maybe we should be looking at younger (that is, late 20's - 30's) actors with a lot of stage presence.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 11th 2020 at 1:17:39 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122725: Nov 11th 2020 at 1:19:37 PM

Voice wise, I liked Paul Dobson from "Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes (2006)" best.

But you gotta remember, Doom is not always in ham mode.

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 11th 2020 at 10:19:56 AM

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