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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#122651: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:13:52 AM

It might retroactively have happened

Jane is a good candidate, since she hosted the reality goo so long

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#122652: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:15:55 AM

I wonder if Pietro had the potential to be as powerful as Carol and Wanda have shown themselves to be. Speedsters can get strong as hell, but I don't even think comics Quicksilver is THAT fast.

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#122653: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:17:34 AM

Technically Vision was also empowered by the Mind Stone. And it is quite possible there are a lot of characters we have not met yet who got some powers through the Stones before they were destroyed. Hydra are probably not the first who experimented on them after all.

[up] A speedster is so much of a Story-Breaker Power that even if Pietro had been at his comic book level he would have been one of the most powerful MCU characters.

Edited by C105 on Nov 9th 2020 at 5:19:28 PM

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#122654: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:40:01 AM

Making a movie where that happens can be...difficult.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122655: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:47:42 AM

I think Ultron Pietro was more or less at his comic book level. Quicksilver has never been at Flash levels of speed, except in the [up] Fox movies.

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#122656: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:48:44 AM

I think that's the only scene from that movie I've ever seen, and I've seen it like 4 or 5 times now.

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#122657: Nov 9th 2020 at 9:02:14 AM

If Pietro survived would be a good AU, especially if he ended up on the opposite side as Wanda in the Civil War thing and especially if his powers also started ramping up.

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#122658: Nov 9th 2020 at 9:02:34 AM

[up]x4 What was funny in that scene was that Pietro had taken care of explaining to Magneto he was protecting him from whiplash earlier on, but here he basically hurls statufied people around at what is probably Mach 10 and they don't get the worst for wear.

[up] I doubt anybody in Civil War would have been able to catch up with a ramped-up Pietro, except possibly with computer assistance (so Iron Man/War Machine/Vision).

Edited by C105 on Nov 9th 2020 at 6:04:30 PM

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#122659: Nov 9th 2020 at 9:07:02 AM

Ironically the people that would be on his side if he did end up on the opposite side as Wanda.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#122660: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:19:37 AM

Quicksilver is one of the things where I'm glad Fox got to keep the rights longer.

Evan's version blew Aaron's out of the water so badly.

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#122661: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:21:36 AM

MCU Pietro isn't great at actually reacting to stuff, though, so Clint, Scott, and Bucky would probably be able to get a few moves over on him.

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#122662: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:26:06 AM

[up][up] Its not like Evans was actually used to great effect in the movies.

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#122663: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:32:49 AM

Neither was Aaron.

But Evan's scenes were definitely much better.

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#122664: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:36:50 AM

I liked Aaron Quicksilver. That scene of him moving the people out of the way of the train was great, especially how he collapsed at the end from exhaustion, that was humanizing. He also had some funny comedy moments of getting punked, like trying to grab Mjolnir mid-flight and getting yanked along with it and getting the glass floor shot out from under him with an arrow.

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#122665: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:37:23 AM

Eh chances are the MCU prolly would have eventually given Pietro something to work with as they have to Wanda.

Meanwhile Fox never did anything to major effect with Pietro. He didn't even get an insane action sequence in Dark Phoenix, instead being Demoted to Extra in it.

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#122666: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:40:45 AM

[up]Hard to said that when pietro was pretty much and appendix to wanda in AOU all this considering.

in fact in retrospective is pretty wasy to see why he would die.

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#122667: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:41:29 AM

Uh tbf everyone got the short stick in dark phoenix.

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#122668: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:42:35 AM

How is it possible for every character in a movie to get shafted?

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#122669: Nov 9th 2020 at 10:51:33 AM

[up]

Have you watched Dark Phoenix?

That's how.

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#122670: Nov 9th 2020 at 11:00:26 AM

I haven't even seen Apocalypse, you think I've seen Dark Pheonix?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122671: Nov 9th 2020 at 11:04:45 AM

Oh.

Well keep doing that then.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122672: Nov 9th 2020 at 11:06:30 AM

3 entire movies and not a single scene where Pietro talks to his father over being his son.

At least the MCU-silver had his bond with his sister for relationships. Foxsilver had nothing by comparison.

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#122673: Nov 9th 2020 at 11:15:28 AM

Yeah, I'm in that camp. I'm not the biggest fan of Whedon's character scenes, but even if it was all just to lead up to a fake-out of Hawkeye's death flags MCU Quicksilver does nevertheless get some pretty endearing character scenes whereas Fox Quicksilver was pretty one note in every appearance.

The Fox Quicksilver action scenes are really epically shot and fun to watch, but on the flipside, overindulgent superpower scenes that make the character doing them so powerful that they subsequently have to be written out of every following story aren't so great in the long run.

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#122674: Nov 9th 2020 at 11:36:39 AM

Fox-Quicksilver’s scenes are fun but he gets more overpowered in each. In the first he’s just moving at normal speed by his own perspective, in the second he’s zipping around from his own perspective even while already moving faster than a literal blink of an eye. No surprise he was tough to use after that.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#122675: Nov 9th 2020 at 12:09:45 PM

Count me in the camp that prefers MCU Quicksilver. He was fun to watch and had neat interactions with Wanda and Clint through the movie. That scene where he saves people on the train was a highlight of that movie for me. And I think his death is ultimately well written even if it's relying on the false death flags around Hawkeye.

Fox Quicksilver has better action set pieces, but is always a one-scene wonder with very little in the way of character.

I really hope Wandavision takes advantage of the alternate reality shenanigans to bring Pietro back, even if only for the series.


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