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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122626: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:15:10 AM

[up] I believe so yes.

Ya know Scott's an inspirational guy. He's already handling being stuck in his house long before the rest of us did. [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 8th 2020 at 5:15:21 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#122627: Nov 8th 2020 at 6:12:20 AM

Deadpool's killed everyone in the Marvel universe, so it's logical to assume everyone's fought him at this point.

The legend has returned.
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#122628: Nov 8th 2020 at 4:28:01 PM

So Loki is dead right?

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#122629: Nov 8th 2020 at 6:04:56 PM

Yes and no. The "original" Loki, for lack of a better term is dead.

The Loki in the TV show will be from an alternate 2012, just following the Battle of New York.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122630: Nov 8th 2020 at 6:19:29 PM

Which is kind of a shame. I was hoping for a "Loki reincarnates as Kid Loki, with old Loki recurring as Ikol" show. Instead, we're getting a Replacement Goldfish Reset Button Loki show, starring a version of him from before all of his interesting character development.

That said, the promise that the show is going get crazy with time travel shenanigans brings the interest back in a pretty major way.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 8th 2020 at 6:20:40 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122631: Nov 8th 2020 at 6:54:22 PM

Time travel's easier to tolerate in a work when you know from the start it's going to have time travel.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122632: Nov 8th 2020 at 7:02:05 PM

I generally find time travel easy to handle. It's only confusing when people either write it badly or intentionally make it confusing.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 8th 2020 at 7:02:21 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#122633: Nov 8th 2020 at 7:33:23 PM

Also, I think its been mentioned that they're considering a second season for Loki, which surprises me a little. But in a good way.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#122634: Nov 8th 2020 at 8:25:29 PM

I still have the theory that the original Loki created a clone, and that clone is going to appear in Young Avengers, either as a member or an antagonist.

In my theory there would be 3 lokis.

  • Old Loki: The main villain of the tv series.
  • 2012 Loki: The protagonist of tv series.
  • Kid Loki: The clone of "our" Loki.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Nov 8th 2020 at 8:27:53 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122635: Nov 8th 2020 at 8:31:39 PM

[up][up][up]The "writing badly" thing tends to happen more often when the time travel isn't planned from the very beginning.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#122636: Nov 8th 2020 at 9:55:11 PM

It has apparently been planned from the beginning, but on the other hand it's already got one "bad writing" ding from me because the Tesseract isn't used for time travel so how is Loki traveling through time?

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#122637: Nov 8th 2020 at 10:04:51 PM

The Cosmic Cube's abilities have never been properly pinned down so, I don't mind the idea it can take you across space to the extent it allows for some kind of time travel. Space and time are intrinsically interwoven, after all.

We also don't have the real details so who knows what the explanation will be.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#122638: Nov 8th 2020 at 10:19:32 PM

The easy answer is that the Tesseract can't be used to time travel...ordinarily.

But Loki uses his own magic and maybe some other MacGuffin to make this possible. It's interesting because the Tesseract holds the Space Stone, but form what we've seen the Time Stone also couldn't be used for "conventional" time travel.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122639: Nov 8th 2020 at 10:59:33 PM

What, does he use the Space Stone to teleport to another timeline or something?

Disgusted, but not surprised
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#122640: Nov 8th 2020 at 11:16:53 PM

I have seen theories he might do that, yes.

I guess we won't know for sure for a little whil still.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122641: Nov 8th 2020 at 11:33:15 PM

The Space Stone is a good ridiculous power source.

If you somehow had a method for time travel already and just needed energy.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#122642: Nov 9th 2020 at 1:16:41 AM

Or the TVA could simply detect Loki as a time anomaly whether he travels through time or not and get at him.

Then again, the Tesseract/Space stone has been shown to be the most versatile of the stones (or maybe the one whose power it is easiest to access). And we have seen how space travel gone wrong could lead to some kind of time travel (when Thor was thrown out of the Bifrost and landed weeks after Loki), so who knows what kind of lateral thinking could coax out of it (and Loki's good at lateral thinking).

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122643: Nov 9th 2020 at 1:34:36 AM

It's kind of weird that Marvel writers cannot settle on what the Space Stone can actually do. With the other Stones they were able to somewhat define their powers. But the Space Stone is a power source, a teleportation device, and now a time travel device apparently.

Teleportation should be its primary ability.

Edited by M84 on Nov 9th 2020 at 5:35:13 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#122644: Nov 9th 2020 at 3:06:11 AM

I think it boils down to the fact that they had not decided that the Tesseract was going to be an Infinity Gem when they introduced it. Though it does not quite justify how they still used it as an generic energy source in Captain Marvel, but at least Mar'Vell was trying to use it for an FTL drive and Carol did not gain her powers directly from it.

Edited by C105 on Nov 9th 2020 at 12:06:33 PM

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#122645: Nov 9th 2020 at 6:16:35 AM

I have a theory that the timelines created by travel time will be erased and the alternate Loki will survive thanks to the Tesseract.

That will turn him into an anomaly and he will be arrested by the tva.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#122646: Nov 9th 2020 at 6:36:30 AM

The Tesseract was originally supposed to be the MCU's equivalent to the Cosmic Cube, and it wasn't until Thor: The Dark World did they settle on the idea of it being an Infinity Stone.

This explains its versatility. After all, The Cosmic Cube Can Do Anything!

Edited by chasemaddigan on Nov 9th 2020 at 9:36:42 AM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#122647: Nov 9th 2020 at 6:37:45 AM

Does that mean we could get a Cosmic Cube in the MCU at some point in the future?

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122648: Nov 9th 2020 at 7:20:27 AM

Black Widow Star Reveals New Details About Red Guardian's Connection to Natasha

"Now, the connection to him and Black Widow is that they were set up as a spy family in America in the ’90s," Harbour says of his character. "So, Rachel Weisz’s character, Melina, was sort of the mom, Alexei was the dad, and Natasha and Yelena were their little kids. We see that in the beginning of the movie, and they sort of function as a family..

The Stranger Things super star adds, "They knew each other from long ago and then they lost touch for almost twenty years. And when we pick up, Alexei’s had this deep knowledge of Natasha in a certain way that no one else had when she was a kid. He took her from the Red Room and also put her back into the Red Room because he believed in this cause."

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122649: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:03:29 AM

I’d actually reckon that any of the infinity stones could be used as a power source

Maybe it was just the tesseract containment that made the space stone easier to use like that

It’s the user friendliest containment aside from the Eye of Agamotto and that has the excuse that sorcerers have been studying it so long that they’ve written spells specifically to use it

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122650: Nov 9th 2020 at 8:11:04 AM

It might've been interesting to get more characters empowered by the stones before they got removed from the universe. Carol is empowered by the Space Stone, Wanda by the Reality Stone.

In the comics Adam Warlock is linked to the Soul Stone, but that of course can't happen here.


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