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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122551: Nov 5th 2020 at 4:02:19 PM

I'm amused that Nuhuman Inferno is one of the main characters in that Marvel Rising animated films, but he's currently dead as among the C-Listers wiped out in Death of the Inhumans.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122552: Nov 5th 2020 at 4:12:13 PM

If that caught on, expect him to be revived and retconned into a mutant or something.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#122553: Nov 5th 2020 at 4:47:02 PM

Inferno was originally intended to be THE face of the Nuhumans. You can see how he was pushed everywhere, the cover that kickstarted Inhumanity had him alone.

It's clear Marvel wanted him to be the next big thing, probably by some higher-ups, but writers and readers had apathy towards him. Kamala and Quake ended up being the leads of the nuhuman wave.

Personally, as someone who likes and is happy to welcome new characters, it's sad seeing how nearly the entirety of the nuhuman crop have been completely relegated. Yes, Marvel marketed wrong and pushing aside the mutants was a mistake, but just getting rid of all these other new characters seems like a waste of potential.

(All that said, I don't really care about Inferno evil grin.)

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122554: Nov 5th 2020 at 4:48:16 PM

I liked his fire demon look.

Granted I was never that interested in him but when he reverted to being some guy in a plain bodysuit, he became nondescript to me.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122555: Nov 5th 2020 at 5:36:51 PM

Also Lunella

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#122556: Nov 5th 2020 at 6:09:57 PM

Weren't inhumans as a whole Perlmutter's lovechilds, or was that just a MCU-related aspect?

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122557: Nov 5th 2020 at 6:11:57 PM

[up]He pushed them as X-Men replacements since the X-Men were tied up with Fox, and that led to their comics being heavily marginalized, to the point Gail Simone argued this chased a lot of people off from comics and over to manga. That is no longer an issue.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122558: Nov 5th 2020 at 6:29:52 PM

Granted, even now Marvel doesn't seem to fully know what to do with mutants in the comics.

My impression is they are stalling for time until they see what does the MCU do with them and then try to adapt that narrative spirit.

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#122559: Nov 5th 2020 at 6:30:43 PM

Well hickman is in his big run at the moment.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122560: Nov 5th 2020 at 6:32:52 PM

I just now realized even Deadpool was being somewhat scaled back. Like he doesn't have as much continuous mini-series as he did a couple years ago.

Especially since the finale of the Duggan run completely nixed absolutely all the progress and development he's made especially with the heroes and mind-wiped his memories back to the 90's.

[up] Which is doing very well financially at the moment.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 5th 2020 at 6:33:33 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122561: Nov 5th 2020 at 7:45:03 PM

I'm still not sure how marginalized the X-Men were.

They were cut from a lot of merchandise and videos game but I thought they still had more books than any given other thing in Marvel.

There was also the argument that the X-Men being always endangered was part of the marginalization but that's just the drain they've been circling forever because marvel couldn't think of any different ideas until Hickman.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122562: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:29:06 PM

Honestly on further thought I'm not sure what was the cause of Deadpool's devolution.

Its like if DC built up Harley into being a member of the League, loved by all, & then she's tricked into killing someone so her entire reputation tanks completely, everyone hates her, all her friends abandoned her, and so she decides to mind-wipe herself back to her original characterization and revert her status quo to being Joker's partner again.

Its such a weird thing.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 5th 2020 at 8:29:21 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122563: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:34:02 PM

Especially since the finale of the Duggan run completely nixed absolutely all the progress and development he's made especially with the heroes and mind-wiped his memories back to the 90's.

He got Flash Thompson'd? Ah, that sucks.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122564: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:34:21 PM

[up][up]If Punchline doesn’t take, DC will assuredly do that.

Edited by Beatman1 on Nov 5th 2020 at 11:34:32 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122565: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:35:42 PM

[up][up] Wait when did Flash go through something like that?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122566: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:41:16 PM

Flash Thompson went through a lot of character development from - irrc - the 70's to the 90's, going to war (Vietnam, I think) and coming back a better, more reflective person. He became one of Peter's close friends, got married and broke up, had part in a few major storylines here or there, etc. I remember people citing him as one of Marvel's best cases of character development over time.

And then in mid-2000s sometime, it was decided it would be fun to have him bump his head or something and forget everything from after he graduated high school, so he could go back to being Peter's obnoxious bully as an adult. Then Peter became a science teacher, and Flash a gym teacher, so they could play out the plot of Big Bully. It's one of the only things in the otherwise iconic Straczynsky run that just straight up a bad idea.

I started getting into comic communities and such right as this was happening, so I can just vaguely remember how people reacted. Longtime fans, as I recall, were not happy.

And this was before OMD.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 5th 2020 at 8:45:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122567: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:45:55 PM

Well fuck. Thank God it wasn't permanent or else we wouldn't have gotten Agent Venom.

At least Despicable Deadpool ended with a Flash-Forward to 2099 with Deadpool going on adventures with his 2 daughters & A.I. Preston.

The latter is a particularly heartwarming cause since Preston's relationship with Wade had completely deteriorated by the end of Deadpool, meaning that they will eventually patch things up one day.

And the next run short and episodic as it was, established that Deadpool will always remember his daughter even without his memories.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 5th 2020 at 8:46:51 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122568: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:49:58 PM

Yeah, I think it was either just quietly undone or ignored afterwards, when they had Flash go back to war and lose the use of his legs. During that, he and Peter were friends again.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 5th 2020 at 8:50:24 AM

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#122569: Nov 5th 2020 at 9:15:10 PM

Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch (actually, no male heroes occupy this tier currently, they're both the only characters to ever cleanly overpower Thanos, the only person who might come close is Captain America with Mjolnir)

I'd make a case for Dr. Strange and maybe Quill-with-Celestial-powers being at least on par with Scarlet Witch. Strange did lose his 1v1 with Thanos, but Thanos was using multiple infinity stones in that encounter. Props to Tony for actually getting Thanos to bleed in that state, too, but I think that had more to do with Thanos wearing down a bit by the time their 1v1 started.

Carol is on an absolutely different level, though.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122570: Nov 5th 2020 at 9:31:03 PM

You can't really do Power Level scaling with Doctor Strange. Being able to transport people to other dimensions is something very few characters in the MCU have any sort of defense against. On the other hand, he's a Squishy Wizard, so against someone like Carol or Wanda, it'd really come down to who got in the first shot.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122571: Nov 5th 2020 at 9:32:11 PM

Wanda is also a squishy wizard.

Carol is a damn tank being launched out of a rail gun.

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 5th 2020 at 12:32:30 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122572: Nov 5th 2020 at 10:06:01 PM

Oh yeah. Though Thanos was still able to toss her around, even if he wasn't really hurting her, and that's before he used the power stone to really put her down.

Then again, those other times, she wasn't really able to sink her heels in until he actually put the glove on.

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#122573: Nov 5th 2020 at 10:47:41 PM

So are Black Panther movies canceled or are they gonna cast a new actor?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#122574: Nov 5th 2020 at 11:03:21 PM

Who knows, and not really a good idea to ask them for the near future.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122575: Nov 5th 2020 at 11:07:02 PM

Strange has always been the magical equivalent of a Guile Hero, and that's baked into the way magic works for him as well. Most of the beings he fights are several order of magnitude more powerful than him, but due the way magic works that's not necessarily important as to whether he can defeat them.

On an unrelated note, thinking of the fight with Thanos makes me think of how unhelpful the Mirror Dimension has been. It's like the writers thought up a Story-Breaker Power, immediately realized it, and so dedicated the rest of its role in the franchise to thinking up new ways it's actually useless.w


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