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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122401: Nov 1st 2020 at 9:37:47 AM

As Ultimate Peter would say...

EDIT: on the Ultimate Universe and every non-Spider being an ass

Edited by Aleistar on Nov 1st 2020 at 9:38:26 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122402: Nov 1st 2020 at 9:38:30 AM

But by working on Ultimates X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Ultimates, he really set the tone that the Ultimate universe would have, even as things somewhat chilled out after he left to make everyone in the 616 assholes instead.

[up] That panel is the gift that keeps on giving

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 1st 2020 at 12:38:59 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122403: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:09:12 AM

Ultimate Thor seemed like a relatively nice guy.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122404: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:15:27 AM

[up]The initial mystery with him was whether or not he was really Thor or just an insane man with powerful technology. That’s the kind of story you can only do once.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122405: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:19:53 AM

Il liked Ultimate Sue and Ultimate Ben Grimm getting together after Reed was revealed to be a villain.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122406: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:43:30 AM

Ironic that the Millar period was the best part of the Ultimate-verse before Loeb ultimately ruined everything.

There was an attempt to a return to form afterwards but it never managed to regain the same original highs when Millar was writing.

Fucking Jeph Loeb, that fuck ruins everything.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 1st 2020 at 11:43:53 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122407: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:44:31 AM

Highs is relative

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122408: Nov 1st 2020 at 11:50:20 AM

Hey it was a high. Sales were at their highest & audience reception was generally positive.

Meanwhile Ultimates 3 was nonsense & Ultimatum was a complete disaster. Seriously I saw a video review of the former by Linkara, none of it made any fucking sense & was just an extended build-up to Ultimatum.

Say what you will about him but at least Millar had something of a story to tell.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#122409: Nov 1st 2020 at 12:43:47 PM

Man, when's Armless Tiger Man gonna show up?

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#122410: Nov 1st 2020 at 12:55:38 PM

That name confuses me. Aren't tigers armless to begin with?

The legend has returned.
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#122411: Nov 1st 2020 at 1:39:50 PM

(Armless) (Tiger Man), not (Armless Tiger) (Man)

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#122412: Nov 1st 2020 at 1:59:00 PM

Hey man, I like Ultimate. It gets a bad rep because a few of the authors intentionally tried to destroy it.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122413: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:03:38 PM

[up] ...Who would those be again? Loeb's contributions may be bad but I doubt he or any writer was trying to "destroy" the line.

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#122414: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:05:42 PM

Not to sound over-dramatic, but I'm pretty sure Loeb was actually given instructions to end it all. Which is why we got that travesty Ultimatum. But things limped on, mostly because Bendis was single-handedly keeping things afloat with Spider-Man.

Edited by Codafett on Nov 1st 2020 at 2:05:55 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122415: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:09:50 PM

Ultimatum was intended to reboot the ultimate universe because editors felt sales were declining due to the nearly decade of continuity that the imprint had built up

The idea is that anyone that died up to ultimatum would not be part of the reboot

Pretty gutsy to actually go through considering they wiped out a lot of their popular types and that Spider Man was supposed to die in Ultimatum originally too

Obviously plans changed at some point and Ultimatum did not crisis on ultimate earth

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 1st 2020 at 5:10:40 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122416: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:36:57 PM

I still take no shame in preferring Ultimate Cap to 616 Cap.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122417: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:40:34 PM

Oh fuck I just now remembered another weird moment.

It was during the Hulk battle & Cap actually repeatedly called Hulk gay to rile the latter up & distract him.......... & it actually worked, Hulk did legitimately get pissed off at being called gay.

So the humor is befitting a 13 year-old.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 1st 2020 at 2:40:57 AM

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Goku Black
#122418: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:48:30 PM

Kinda of a shame they didnt go with the reboot after ultimatium. I know several people have noted the comics never got their glory days after that event.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122419: Nov 1st 2020 at 3:03:17 PM

Okay I just checked the Ultimate catalogue and now I understand why they must have felt the need for a reboot.

  • Ultimate Spider-Man #1-133 (2000-2009)
  • Ultimate Marvel Team-Up (2001-2002) (crossovers with individual characters)
  • Ultimate Six (2003-2004) (crossover with the Ultimates)
  • Ultimate X-Men #1-100 (2001-2009)
  • Ultimate War (2002-2003) (crossover with the Ultimates)
  • Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk (2005-2009, with delays)
  • The Ultimates (2002) (2002-2003), The Ultimates 2 (2005-2007) and The Ultimates 3 (2008)
  • Ultimate Galactus Trilogy (2004-2006)note
  • Ultimate Vision (2006-2008)
  • Ultimate Saga (2007)
  • Ultimate Human (2008)
  • Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra (2002-2003)
  • Ultimate Elektra (2004-2005)
  • Ultimate Adventures (2002-2003)
  • Ultimate Fantastic Four #1-60 (2004-2009)
  • Ultimate X4
  • Marvel Zombies (spin-off series, but not part of Ultimate Marvel)
  • Ultimate Iron Man (two series)
  • Ultimate Power (2005-2007) (a universe–wide crossover with Supreme Power)
  • Ultimate Origins (2008)

All the Ultimate comics released before Ultimatum. That is a lot of shit released in less than 10 years. A whole bunch of mini-series released alongside the actual main titles in-between.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#122420: Nov 1st 2020 at 5:43:03 PM

Speaking of Ultimate

Honestly when I found out that Ultimate's Reed Richards had turned evil, I thought it would be the classic case of "He's evil for a" Mini-Arc "and then he's good again"

But not only did he not become good again, he actually became even more evil.

And to think that this is the same guy who was willing to sacrifice himself to prevent the zombies from reaching his world.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Nov 1st 2020 at 5:44:09 AM

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Goku Black
#122421: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:12:00 PM

Probably one of the few times It actually ended up sticking.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122422: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:17:29 PM

Ultimate Reed is a major example of Breakout Character/Villain since he's one of the few Ultimate characters to make a full transition to the 616-verse & be consistently used as a major villain.

Ironically I don't think hes encountered the 616 FF yet.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#122423: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:23:31 PM

Yep he's now a venom / spider man villain if I'm not mistaken. Interesting choice

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122424: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:25:38 PM

I think that's mostly because Donny Cates, the current writer of the Venom ongoing, is a big fan of the Ultimate U and no one else was using him. But I think some of this is off-topic with regards to the films anyways, though I wouldn't mind continuing the discussion in the Marvel Comics thread.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122425: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:27:01 PM

It does feel like Ultimate Reed aka The Maker is going out of his way to avoid messing with the 616 FF.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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