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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122377: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:19:20 PM

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Falcon And Winter Soldier has John Walker say "You think this symbol on my forehead stands for France?!"

I'd be very amused if he made a Freedom Fries reference. It'd be the kind of semi-modern behavior (I guess it's like an almost twenty year old reference at this point) that would be an update to the whole "commie smashing" idea, anti-"terrorist" fervor, hostility toward conscientious objection and all.

Does Marvel have an awful lot of French characters for whom lines like that would be perfect for? There's Batroc, of course.

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#122378: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:22:38 PM

Imagine if he said that to Batroc.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122380: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:23:26 PM

That would earn him an asskicking among asskickings.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#122381: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:23:59 PM

I do believe MCU Batroc is Algerian tho.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122382: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:24:11 PM

Pretty much.

Ya'll can call Batroc a lot of things, but if you call him a coward, then I hope you enjoy the new footprint based face tattoo he'll give you.

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#122383: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:24:20 PM

MCU Batroc isn't even French, but I guess an Ultimate Cap type wouldn't care about the difference.

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#122384: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:25:36 PM

It was only a little while ago that I learned the "A doesn't stand for France" line was supposed to be a dig about France not supporting the Iraq War. I thought it was just generic Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys joke, and specifically a jab about their surrender to Nazi Germany in WWII.

That extra level of subtext just makes the line even dumber to me.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122385: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:26:36 PM

Well granted it’s not as dumb as the context surrounding Hulk wanting to kill Freddie Prinz jr.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122386: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:29:40 PM

<looks up French characters on the Marvel wiki/database>

<unsurprisingly, the vast majority are X-Men characters>

"Hmm... glad Marvel Studios could finally use them if they wanted to, but unlikely to show up in anything non-X-Men related."

<the illegitimate kids of Norman Osborn and Gwen Stacy>

"Yeesh, no."

"Ooh, this one's a keeper."

Not even specifically for Falcon and Winter Soldier. She's probably best for something else, I just like the concept. I'm a sucker for characters who mix medieval designs with superhero designs.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2020 at 9:33:10 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122387: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:32:21 PM

Oooh that is a good design.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122388: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:33:54 PM

I kind of like the idea of Champions of Europe and/or other regional superteams (coughAlphaFlightcough) getting their own movies or tv shows or what have you in the future. Make the world of the MCU bigger. Especially ideas like HYDRA trying to branch out elsewhere in the world, and other teams rising to stop them.

Or, better yet, the Maggia. Count Nefaria is based in Italy, and I can't think of a single faithful adaptation of that group yet.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2020 at 9:34:09 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122389: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:29:23 PM

It was only a little while ago that I learned the "A doesn't stand for France" line was supposed to be a dig about France not supporting the Iraq War. I thought it was just generic Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys joke, and specifically a jab about their surrender to Nazi Germany in WWII.

That extra level of subtext just makes the line even dumber to me.

According to Millar, Ultimate Steve was supposed to be a deconstruction of this type of attitude.

Millar: “People would say, ‘I joined the army after reading The Ultimates because I wanted to make a difference in the Middle East,’ and I was like, ‘Well, I kinda meant the opposite of that,’”

YMMV on how well he handled it.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 31st 2020 at 10:34:34 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122390: Nov 1st 2020 at 2:44:07 AM

Huh random thought but reading some Deadpool comics I just now realized Bob, Agent of Hydra can show up now since DP & the Hydra can coexist.

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#122391: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:21:25 AM

IIRC Bob had a cameo of sorts in the first Deadpool movie.

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#122392: Nov 1st 2020 at 6:44:08 AM

Yep, around 1:10(also, warning about graphic violence, just in case).

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#122393: Nov 1st 2020 at 7:36:37 AM

Hey Mark where’s the deconstruction of the attitude?

You present Ultimate Cap as being pretty awesome and successful. What part was supposed to make people think “this is bad actually?”

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#122394: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:05:52 AM

Because assholes can be successful too?

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 1st 2020 at 5:06:01 PM

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#122395: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:09:30 AM

Case in point, Ike Perlwhateveryouspellhisname.

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#122396: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:16:54 AM

Sure but by presenting it uncritically does not make it a deconstruction

It’s praised in the comic as incredibly funny by Nick Fury

There’s nothing in how it’s set up to make people take the opposite message that it wasn’t a cool funny thing for Cap to say

And yes, audience has a brain of its own. A lot of people didn’t like the moment or the portrayal of Cap but these people already didn’t like the portrayal.

It’s not changing minds of anyone who holds the attitude being supposedly deconstructed because it gives them exactly what they want

A cool superhero guy kicking ass and repeating the jingoist zeitgeist

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Surrounded by weirdoes
#122397: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:20:28 AM

It didn't alienate his allies or have him bite more than he could chew or any other way that being such a macho asshole could backfire on him.

Then again, in the Ultimates, he is just a souped-up asshole surrounded by assholes.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#122398: Nov 1st 2020 at 8:20:47 AM

Well Nick Fury in the UU is an even bigger asshole than Cap, so I'd take his judgement with a grain of salt.

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#122399: Nov 1st 2020 at 9:26:37 AM

I Mean it's the ultimate universe. Other then miles and Peter. Everyone is a raging asshole.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122400: Nov 1st 2020 at 9:30:33 AM

At least started out like it. Many people actually become gradually better persons. The "Everybody is an asshole" meme is mostly from the very early days, most people don't even know Mark Millar only had a relatively short stint in the UU.

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 1st 2020 at 6:30:55 PM

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